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Old 11-03-2006, 11:21 AM   #1
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Faith-based voters should be shot

“The trouble with this group, which I call the theocrats, is they want their faith to dictate what the government does. That, in a word, is un-American. That is exactly what the Founding Fathers put down their plows and took up muskets to fight.”

- Chuck Schumer (D-NY)
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So you are in favor of groups like the Taliban?

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they want their faith to dictate what the government does
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So you are in favor of groups like the Taliban?

I think he said he's against faith based voters. Am I missing something?

I think it's a matter of where you put your faith. Some put it in God, but unfortunately He's not running in my state, so I have to put my faith in someone else.
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I think he said he's against faith based voters. Am I missing something?

I think it's a matter of where you put your faith. Some put it in God, but unfortunately He's not running in my state, so I have to put my faith in someone else.
I think the purpose of this thread was to make the Dems look anti-religious.

But, Mac can explain for himself, if he would care to.


I think it is best to let God be in charge in Heaven.

In the mean time we should all try and get along and let people apply their faith- based beliefs over themselves.
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I don't know how you make the leap from that quote to the conclusion that Chuck Schumer thinks faith based voters should be shot-that's quite a leap of logic and of credulity. That's not at all what he is saying.
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Once again mac attacks, and gets it wrong. This title is so off base it's ridiculous.
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I've been looking for muskets, but they don't have any in Canada. Where can i get these?

Maybe i'll call the Democrats.
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I don't know how you make the leap from that quote to the conclusion that Chuck Schumer thinks faith based voters should be shot-that's quite a leap of logic and of credulity. That's not at all what he is saying.
Consider it an achievement in abstract thinking.

Of course he isn't saying that. He is however saying that faith-based voters are un-American theocrats... you know, the types who the Founding Fathers would have shot at.
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Of course he isn't saying that. He is however saying that faith-based voters are un-American theocrats... you know, the types who the Founding Fathers would have shot at.
Is he wrong?
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Consider it an achievement in abstract thinking.

Um, no.

I'd consider it trolling. For the intent of this thread is obvious and very transparent.
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I think the purpose of this thread was to make the Dems look anti-religious.
Some are, some aren't. Those who aren't, I have my disagreements with politically, but elsewhere we have common ground. Those who are tend to blame "religion" as the cause of all the world's problems, and therefore, hold hostility towards those who have a sense of accountability for their actions outside of their own conscience.

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But, Mac can explain for himself, if he would care to.
And I will - I slightly exaggerated Schumer's exaggeration on faith-based voters. They want politicians to appeal to people of faith, and "to dictate" is quite a stretch if you ask me. The Republican Party, for example, will often shy away from the culture wars once they get in power. In other words, they put fiscal and foreign policy ahead of social policy for the most part.

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I think it is best to let God be in charge in Heaven.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears to be a subtle way of saying "leave God out of politics." I think that religion indirectly influences politics - few run for office specifically to enforce a religious agenda. Democracy is run by the people. If the people have strong religious beliefs, there will be politicians who make an impression on them in order to appear faith-friendly and accountable.

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In the mean time we should all try and get along and let people apply their faith- based beliefs over themselves.
There have been times when faith-based voters HAVE made all the difference in the world. Take slavery, for example. One of the classic arguments against it was that it was un-Christian-like and immoral. If every generation took a firm absolutist stance that faith and morality should be left out of it, it would have taken much longer to overcome social injustices.
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Um, no.

I'd consider it trolling. For the intent of this thread is obvious and very transparent.
<- at the "trolling" remark...

You obviously missed the point of my "abstract thinking" comment. It often serves as an excuse to distort the message behind it.
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Re: Faith-based voters should be shot

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“The trouble with this group, which I call the theocrats, is they want their faith to dictate what the government does. That, in a word, is un-American. That is exactly what the Founding Fathers put down their plows and took up muskets to fight.”

- Chuck Schumer (D-NY)
Rhetoric. The Founding Fathers took up their muskets to fight taxation without representation. Since at least a century prior the America's were drawing immigrants because it had been ruled they would be allowed to worship freely here.

Read a damn history book Schumer.
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<- at the "trolling" remark...

You obviously missed the point of my "abstract thinking" comment.
And you obviously don't know what abstract means.
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Is he wrong?
It's a gross comparisan - the Founding Fathers shot at those who threatened their lives. So really, it depends on whether you find present-day America to be as bad of a place to live in as the Revolutionary War period, which I doubt many people do.
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