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Never thought you'd see the day? Well, here you go! It seems that it is not only adherents of one particular religion that need to get their fix of the action.

You have to admit, has much more shock value than your average 'evil extremist muslim terrorist eats baby' type of news dished out by the media.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061003/ts_nm/transport_hijack_dc

BRINDISI, Italy (Reuters) - A Turkish hijacker seeking to communicate with Pope Benedict seized an airliner flying from Albania to Istanbul on Tuesday and diverted it to Italy before surrendering.

All 107 passengers and six crew left the Turkish Airlines plane at Brindisi airport after brief negotiations, Italy's aviation authority ENAC said, adding that police were checking to see if other hijackers were among those on board.

"At the moment one person has given himself up. We are trying to verify whether there was a second hijacker on the aircraft," Antonio Lattarulo, head of ENAC for Brinidisi in southern Italy, told Reuters.

Turkish TV initially quoted police sources as saying the plane had been hijacked in protest at a planned November visit to Turkey by the Pope, who offended many Muslims with a speech last month linking the spread of the Islamic faith to violence.

But Turkish media later identified the hijacker as Hakan Ekinci, a convert to Christianity who had written to the Pope in late August, asking for his help to avoid compulsory military service in Turkey.

Turkey's Dogan News Agency said Ekinci was born in the western Turkish province of Izmir in 1978 and had been convicted of fraud and pickpocketing. It said he traveled to Albania in May this year and did not return.

Dogan quoted from his letter: "Dear Pope, I am Hakan Ekinci. I am a Christian and I never want to serve a Muslim army. I wish you to help me as the spiritual leader of the Christian world."

The Vatican said the Pope was being kept informed about the hijacking but preparations for the November 28-December 1 trip to Turkey were going ahead.

NO WEAPONS

The airliner was flying from the Albanian capital Tirana to Istanbul when the hijacking occurred in Greek airspace at 5:58 pm (1458 GMT). The Boeing 737 was escorted by Greek and Italian military aircraft to Brindisi.

A spokeswoman for ENAC told Reuters during the hijack: "As far as we know, the hijackers want to talk with Italian authorities to send a message to the Pope."

Passengers gave conflicting accounts of whether there was more than one hijacker, but they said they saw no weapons and that no violence was used.

Sadri Abazi, an Albanian member of parliament who was on the plane spoke by mobile phone to an Albanian television station. "As he was leaving the plane, one of the hijackers apologized to the passengers in English and Albanian," he said.

CNN Turk's Web site said that, of the 107 passengers, 80 were Albanian and five Turkish. Four beauty queens -- from India, Malaysia, Singapore and the Philippines -- were on the flight, returning from a pageant in Albania, Brindisi police said.

Turkey's Transport Minister Binali Yildirim gave one suggestion of how a hijack could have occurred without the use of weapons. "We have information that they showed a package, but we haven't confirmed that," he told CNN Turk.

Pope Benedict is due to visit Ankara, Istanbul and the ancient site of Ephesus as a guest of Turkish President Ahmet Necdet Sezer from November 28 to December 1.

A number of planes have been hijacked to or from Turkey in the past decade, either by Kurdish rebels or hijackers with Chechen or Islamist sympathies.

(additional reporting by Philip Pullella, Phil Stewart and Nicola Scevola in Rome, Ilaria Polleschi and Antonella Ciancio in Milan, Karolos Grohmann in Athens, Paul de Bendern in Ankara and Daren Butler in Istanbul)
 
"Passengers gave conflicting accounts of whether there was more than one hijacker, but they said they saw no weapons and that no violence was used."

Oh yeah, this ranks right up there with chopping off reporters' heads.
 
80sU2isBest said:
Oh yeah, this ranks right up there with chopping off reporters' heads.

I wonder where bombing a city/village counts in the hierarchy?

Melon
 
melon said:


I wonder where bombing a city/village counts in the hierarchy?

Melon

How often does an organization purposely bomb innocents and say they're doing it in the name of Christ?
 
80sU2isBest said:


How often does an organization purposely bomb innocents and say they're doing it in the name of Christ?

erm... that made me think of abortion clinics for some reason..

also, i thought george w. had the idea that he was getting advice from 'god' during his administration...:eyebrow:
 
all_i_want said:


erm... that made me think of abortion clinics for some reason..

How often does that happen? It doesn't happen anymore at all, and when it did happen, was it very often?


all_i_want said:
also, i thought george w. had the idea that he was getting advice from 'god' during his administration...:eyebrow:

A president saying that he asks for and receives guidance from God is a world's difference from someone assassinating an innocent person and saying he's doing it in the name of a god.
 
80sU2isBest said:
How often does an organization purposely bomb innocents and say they're doing it in the name of Christ?

Whenever we get a Republican president...heh.

But, for example, if foreign nations declared war on us and "accidentally" killed your family in an airstrike, you would find consolation in that it was, at least, "an accident"?

I don't think that argument works in Iraq, for instance.

Melon
 
nathan1977 said:
Intentionality is everything.

Except, if I remember my Christian proverbs...

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Heh...

Melon
 
80sU2isBest said:


How often does that happen? It doesn't happen anymore at all, and when it did happen, was it very often?


that doesnt make any sense. how often does a religiously motivated terrorist attack happen on the US soil anyway? not too often i suppose. does that make it less important?
 
all_i_want said:


that doesnt make any sense. how often does a religiously motivated terrorist attack happen on the US soil anyway? not too often i suppose. does that make it less important?

Maybe I am the one who is confused. According to this post by you , it does make it less important.

all_i_want said:
lets get some perspective. there has been one (1) attack on US soil since THE BRITISH ARMY left. one terrorist attack, albeit significant in impact, but still, only one. many countries around the world, in europe, middle east, asia had to live with terrorism for a long time. reading some of the posts, one could think you are living in iraq and have to deal with terrorist bombings all the time. it is amazing how terrorized some people have become.
 
all_i_want said:


that doesnt make any sense. how often does a religiously motivated terrorist attack happen on the US soil anyway? not too often i suppose. does that make it less important?

Who's talking about US soil? And who's talking about importance?

You called the man who did this a "terrorist" which is the same word we use for those chop off reporters' heads and suicide bomb. This man didn't use a weapon or violence, and yet, by calling him a terrorist, you lumped him with people who murder. I was simply pointing out that what this man did was nothing compared to what real terrorists do.
 
melon said:


Except, if I remember my Christian proverbs...

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Heh...

Melon

I don't remember that in the Bible. Oh yes, now I do - it's right there next to "God helps those who help themselves".:wink:
 
melon said:


Whenever we get a Republican president...heh.

But, for example, if foreign nations declared war on us and "accidentally" killed your family in an airstrike, you would find consolation in that it was, at least, "an accident"?

Melon

If I lost someone, I don't know that consolation would come via anything but my faith in God. However, I do believe that it would "sit better" with me if I knew that a terrorist was the target and that my loved one was accidentally killed than if my loved one was taken hostage and had has head chopped off.
 
Better examples would have been the Ugandan LRA and east India's NLFT..although these are strictly local militants.
 
all_i_want said:


erm... that made me think of abortion clinics for some reason..

Definitely a black mark on Christianity.

all_i_want said:

also, i thought george w. had the idea that he was getting advice from 'god' during his administration...:eyebrow:

Most Christians in a position of leadership believe they are placed there by God to perform His will. A quick glance at the New Testament would demonstrate this.
 
it would be so cool for humankind if all the religious extremists will get hijacked by aliens and get lost in space. i am so sick of any kind of religious fanatics and their bullshit.
 
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I think that terrorist is an undue title, two conciencious objectors fleeing the army who start making demands without weapons or threat. There are Christian terrorists but I don't think that they cross the line.
 
jacobus said:
it would be so cool for humankind if all the religious extremists will get hijacked by aliens and get lost in space. i am so sick of any kind of religious fanatics and their bullshit.
It would also "be cool" if atheists stop killing people, too.
 
melon said:


Except, if I remember my Christian proverbs...

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Heh...

Melon
Intentions are NOTHING to me. I'm sure Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Bin Laden, & Co. believed in their intentions, and believing they were good.
 
AEON said:
Most Christians in a position of leadership believe they are placed there by God to perform His will. A quick glance at the New Testament would demonstrate this.

Reminds me of the "Divine Right of Kings."

Of course, most kings were anything but "divine," and, instead, abused their position and ruled with cruelty, oppression, and incompetance.

But then they believed that that cruelty, oppression, and incompetance was "God's will," because they were the king.

The Bible also gives the precedent for the separation of church and state in that Jesus said "to give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to give to God what is God's." As such, I consider all world leaders to be "Caesar," rather than "God"...heh.

Melon
 
melon said:
The Bible also gives the precedent for the separation of church and state in that Jesus said "to give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to give to God what is God's." As such, I consider all world leaders to be "Caesar," rather than "God"...heh.

Melon

Melon, When he said that, he was answering a specific question: "Should we pay taxes to Caesar"?

I think that to say this is any kind of statement about separation of church and state is a big bit of a stretch.
 
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Macfistowannabe said:
You seem rather happy this happened...

:eyebrow:

Umm.. I was being a pretend-Fox News reporter?

Really, of course I am not happy that people hijacked an airplane. On the other remarks made, AEON quoted me from the other thread, saying that US is going too far by discussing limiting civil liberties by exaggerating the threat. This does mean that it is not worth curtailing your civil liberties to stop some indeterminate, phantom terrorist threat.

However, my first remark was a response to 80s saying 'this isnt important because how many christians engage in acts of terrorism anyway?'. We were talking about abortion clinics at this point. Just because there arent many of these incidents doesnt mean that we should overlook the ones that do happen.

As you can see, the first one is about propaganda being used to get to some preconceived conclusion (everyone is out to get america), the second one is about acknowledging an event that has happened. I'd like to congratulate you though, very solid work in taking my words out of context though. I have so much more to learn to be a REAL pretend-Fox News reporter, and responses such as this take me higher on the learning curve.
 
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all_i_want said:

However, my first remark was a response to 80s saying 'this isnt important because how many christians engage in acts of terrorism anyway?'. We were talking about abortion clinics at this point. Just because there arent many of these incidents doesnt mean that we should overlook the ones that do happen.

Misquoting people is not nice. I never said "this isn't important because how many christians engage in acts of terrorism anyway?".

By calling this man a "terrorist", you drew a comparison between him and people who murder innocents. I simply pointed out to you that this man is not a terrorist; he didn't use violence or weapons - what he did was ntohing compared to what terrorists do.

Is bombing abortion clinics wrong? You bet! But you know darned well that it doesn't happen anywhere near as much as the Islamic terrorist attacks do, and never did happen that much.
 
i think the abortion bombings (and gay club bombings, just to toss that one out there) are comparable to Islamic terrorism, but there doesn't usually result in as much mass death as Islamic terrorism. i do agree.

however, i think we also have to agree that there isn't so much of a difference between Christian terrorists and Islamic terrorists and more that there is just a degree of difference.
 
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80sU2isBest said:


Misquoting people is not nice. I never said "this isn't important because how many christians engage in acts of terrorism anyway?".

By calling this man a "terrorist", you drew a comparison between him and people who murder innocents. I simply pointed out to you that this man is not a terrorist; he didn't use violence or weapons - what he did was ntohing compared to what terrorists do.

Is bombing abortion clinics wrong? You bet! But you know darned well that it doesn't happen anywhere near as much as the Islamic terrorist attacks do, and never did happen that much.

OK, sorry about the misquote, but you basically questioned the frequency of occurence of abortion clinic bombings, and drew an implicit conclusion that these don't deserve as much attention as Islamic terrorism. While that might be true on an international scale, since one event is internal and the other international, this does not mean that we should not scrutinize the motivations that lie behind these actions. Both groups are motivated by religious faith, and both cause harm to people who have different stances then their own.

As to the issue of this guy being a terrorist or not, I'd like to inform you about how the event actually took place, with eyewitness accounts: (in Turkish, unfortunately, but I hope my word carries some weight)

http://www.cnnturk.com/TURKIYE/haber_detay.asp?PID=318&haberID=240821

The pilot, when describing the event, has identified the suspect as 'a terrorist, who was fully aware of his actions'. He has also said that the suspect knew the meanings of the flight codes and emergency regulations. According to both the pilot and the passengers, the suspect claimed that he had a bomb and he would blow up the plane unless his demands were met.

How is this person not a terrorist? Does it make any difference if he actually did not have a bomb? Now, if this was a Muslim on board a United Airlines flight, I do not think you would take the event this lightly. Apparently, the definition of terrorist changes depending on which religion they believe in, I did not know that.
 
Oh, before i forget, here are several definitions of a terrorist:


One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant.

a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities

the use or threatened use of violence for the purpose of creating fear in order to achieve a political, economic, religious, or ideological goal. ...


references available on request.. or just google 'terrorist'
 
We had a bombing of an abortion clinic here in Birmingham in 1998. I remember hearing the bomb go off; it was early, about 7:30 in the morning. A nurse and a security guard were both hurt, but no one was killed. It was horrible and it made us look really bad. I was so embarrassed to live in Birmingham that day.
 
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