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Old 10-04-2006, 02:03 AM   #16
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erm... that made me think of abortion clinics for some reason..
Definitely a black mark on Christianity.

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also, i thought george w. had the idea that he was getting advice from 'god' during his administration...
Most Christians in a position of leadership believe they are placed there by God to perform His will. A quick glance at the New Testament would demonstrate this.
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it would be so cool for humankind if all the religious extremists will get hijacked by aliens and get lost in space. i am so sick of any kind of religious fanatics and their bullshit.
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I think that terrorist is an undue title, two conciencious objectors fleeing the army who start making demands without weapons or threat. There are Christian terrorists but I don't think that they cross the line.
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Never thought you'd see the day?
You seem rather happy this happened...

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it would be so cool for humankind if all the religious extremists will get hijacked by aliens and get lost in space. i am so sick of any kind of religious fanatics and their bullshit.
It would also "be cool" if atheists stop killing people, too.
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Old 10-04-2006, 09:06 AM   #21
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Except, if I remember my Christian proverbs...

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Heh...

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Intentions are NOTHING to me. I'm sure Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Bin Laden, & Co. believed in their intentions, and believing they were good.
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Old 10-04-2006, 09:28 AM   #22
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Most Christians in a position of leadership believe they are placed there by God to perform His will. A quick glance at the New Testament would demonstrate this.
Reminds me of the "Divine Right of Kings."

Of course, most kings were anything but "divine," and, instead, abused their position and ruled with cruelty, oppression, and incompetance.

But then they believed that that cruelty, oppression, and incompetance was "God's will," because they were the king.

The Bible also gives the precedent for the separation of church and state in that Jesus said "to give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to give to God what is God's." As such, I consider all world leaders to be "Caesar," rather than "God"...heh.

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The Bible also gives the precedent for the separation of church and state in that Jesus said "to give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to give to God what is God's." As such, I consider all world leaders to be "Caesar," rather than "God"...heh.

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Melon, When he said that, he was answering a specific question: "Should we pay taxes to Caesar"?

I think that to say this is any kind of statement about separation of church and state is a big bit of a stretch.
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This guy sounds like a nutjob. Turkey doesn't have a conscientious objector law; they can't do it. So he's out of luck.
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You seem rather happy this happened...

Umm.. I was being a pretend-Fox News reporter?

Really, of course I am not happy that people hijacked an airplane. On the other remarks made, AEON quoted me from the other thread, saying that US is going too far by discussing limiting civil liberties by exaggerating the threat. This does mean that it is not worth curtailing your civil liberties to stop some indeterminate, phantom terrorist threat.

However, my first remark was a response to 80s saying 'this isnt important because how many christians engage in acts of terrorism anyway?'. We were talking about abortion clinics at this point. Just because there arent many of these incidents doesnt mean that we should overlook the ones that do happen.

As you can see, the first one is about propaganda being used to get to some preconceived conclusion (everyone is out to get america), the second one is about acknowledging an event that has happened. I'd like to congratulate you though, very solid work in taking my words out of context though. I have so much more to learn to be a REAL pretend-Fox News reporter, and responses such as this take me higher on the learning curve.
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However, my first remark was a response to 80s saying 'this isnt important because how many christians engage in acts of terrorism anyway?'. We were talking about abortion clinics at this point. Just because there arent many of these incidents doesnt mean that we should overlook the ones that do happen.
Misquoting people is not nice. I never said "this isn't important because how many christians engage in acts of terrorism anyway?".

By calling this man a "terrorist", you drew a comparison between him and people who murder innocents. I simply pointed out to you that this man is not a terrorist; he didn't use violence or weapons - what he did was ntohing compared to what terrorists do.

Is bombing abortion clinics wrong? You bet! But you know darned well that it doesn't happen anywhere near as much as the Islamic terrorist attacks do, and never did happen that much.
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i think the abortion bombings (and gay club bombings, just to toss that one out there) are comparable to Islamic terrorism, but there doesn't usually result in as much mass death as Islamic terrorism. i do agree.

however, i think we also have to agree that there isn't so much of a difference between Christian terrorists and Islamic terrorists and more that there is just a degree of difference.
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Misquoting people is not nice. I never said "this isn't important because how many christians engage in acts of terrorism anyway?".

By calling this man a "terrorist", you drew a comparison between him and people who murder innocents. I simply pointed out to you that this man is not a terrorist; he didn't use violence or weapons - what he did was ntohing compared to what terrorists do.

Is bombing abortion clinics wrong? You bet! But you know darned well that it doesn't happen anywhere near as much as the Islamic terrorist attacks do, and never did happen that much.
OK, sorry about the misquote, but you basically questioned the frequency of occurence of abortion clinic bombings, and drew an implicit conclusion that these don't deserve as much attention as Islamic terrorism. While that might be true on an international scale, since one event is internal and the other international, this does not mean that we should not scrutinize the motivations that lie behind these actions. Both groups are motivated by religious faith, and both cause harm to people who have different stances then their own.

As to the issue of this guy being a terrorist or not, I'd like to inform you about how the event actually took place, with eyewitness accounts: (in Turkish, unfortunately, but I hope my word carries some weight)

http://www.cnnturk.com/TURKIYE/haber...haberID=240821

The pilot, when describing the event, has identified the suspect as 'a terrorist, who was fully aware of his actions'. He has also said that the suspect knew the meanings of the flight codes and emergency regulations. According to both the pilot and the passengers, the suspect claimed that he had a bomb and he would blow up the plane unless his demands were met.

How is this person not a terrorist? Does it make any difference if he actually did not have a bomb? Now, if this was a Muslim on board a United Airlines flight, I do not think you would take the event this lightly. Apparently, the definition of terrorist changes depending on which religion they believe in, I did not know that.
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Oh, before i forget, here are several definitions of a terrorist:


One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant.

a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities

the use or threatened use of violence for the purpose of creating fear in order to achieve a political, economic, religious, or ideological goal. ...


references available on request.. or just google 'terrorist'
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We had a bombing of an abortion clinic here in Birmingham in 1998. I remember hearing the bomb go off; it was early, about 7:30 in the morning. A nurse and a security guard were both hurt, but no one was killed. It was horrible and it made us look really bad. I was so embarrassed to live in Birmingham that day.
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