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Old 04-18-2008, 11:29 PM   #31
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Let's just say there's a reason it's "Judeo-CHRISTIAN," and not "Judeo."

You're digging your own grave with your logic here.

This is getting ridiculous.

While it's entertaining, let's get back to the topic at hand, shall we?
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Judeo-Christian = Judaism & Christianity
Ben Stein = an adherent of Judaism
therefore,
Ben Stein = Judeo-Christian

But of course, now we're arguing a stupid point that really has little to do with the topic.
This is horrible logic. He's Jewish. Judaism came before Christianity. Why would someone of the Jewish faith say they believe both Jewish and Christian traditions/texts, when they don't?

Yolland —*do you consider yourself a Judeo-Christian?
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This is getting ridiculous.

While it's entertaining, let's get back to the topic at hand, shall we?
Agreed - as long as we can cut the insults and have a respectful conversation.
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Agreed - as long as we can cut the insults and have a respectful conversation.
No promises (this is why I tend to avoid making replies in FYM), but I will try.
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Hey, understood.

Keep making replies here though. That's what it's all about — the discussion.
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I gotta admit I really want to hear yolland's answer.
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Me too.

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I've got to go to bed.

Although you can be sure I'll be back tomorrow.
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Right on.

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Wait, we're supposed to accept a theory just because it's a common theory? So we check our brain at the door and ignore independent thought?
Scientific theory is not common theory. A scientific theory is declared one, due to overwhelming evidence. Before that, it is considered a scientific hypothesis, which would be what non-scientific folk would consider a "common theory." Even then, there is some mathematical or logical basis that would establish a scientific hypothesis.

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Too many people don't put faith in a theory. It doesn't answer everyone's questions, and many find holes in the theory. Why suppress other views? Isn't that what science has always fought against?
I'm sorry. This kind of statement just shows how completely lacking scientific education is in this country. This is probably why people think nothing of adding religious nonsense into science, when it is completely uncalled for, according to centuries of established scientific rules.
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I understand that, but look at what you said: "it's the best workable model to explain the known facts." Like I said before, many people find holes in the theory. It doesn't explain everything to them, so for them, it's not the best workable model. It's hard for some people to accept. Why is it so wrong to not accept that? Then some people put both God and evolution together. That for them is the best workable model. Why not welcome more ideas and lines of thought into the discussion? That's all the movie is getting at, really.
God+scientific evolution=evolutionary creationism/theistic evolution, not intelligent design.

God+pseudoscience masquerading as "evolution"=intelligent design

If you want more "ideas and lines," these are things to discuss in a religion class or even perhaps a philosophy class.

If you want to add more "ideas and lines" into a science class, then you had best be prepared to do research, experiments, advanced mathematics, and extensive peer review duplicating and accepting those results before it would ever be considered going into science.

See the difference? Science is not receptive to cultural relativism. It deals solely in verifiable facts.
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Stein: There are definitely people who are people of faith and have no problem with Darwinism. To tell you the truth, up to a very large point, I have no problem with Darwinism. I think Darwinism as a theory explaining evolution within species is incredibly brilliant, just unbelievably incredibly brilliant.

But, as a theory that explains everything in terms of evolution--in terms of development of life, it explains very, very little. Darwinism doesn't explain where gravity comes from. It doesn't explain where thermodynamics comes from. It doesn't explain where the laws of physics come from. It doesn't explain where matter came from.

To tie everything together, God seems like the only logical explanation.
Religion or philosophy class, not science class!
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Let's just say there's a reason it's "Judeo-CHRISTIAN," and not "Judeo."

You're digging your own grave with your logic here.

"Judeo-Christian" refers to the common beliefs and mythology held by either Jews or Christians. If you wanted to describe the common beliefs and mythology held by Jews, Christians, or Muslims, then you'd refer to it as the "Abrahamic faiths."

Quite obviously, this is more of an academic categorization, much like "Indo-European" in linguistics and sometimes ethnicity. Most everyone here is speaking an Indo-European language. But when it comes to self-identification, we will merely state the individual Indo-European language that we speak: English, Spanish, French, German, Greek, Persian, etc.
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Religion or philosophy class, not science class!
No, all three.

The science of everything can be discussed, but if someone wants to share their reasoning for ID, they should be allowed. That's it.
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"Judeo-Christian" refers to the common beliefs and mythology held by either Jews or Christians. If you wanted to describe the common beliefs and mythology held by Jews, Christians, or Muslims, then you'd refer to it as the "Abrahamic faiths."

Quite obviously, this is more of an academic categorization, much like "Indo-European" in linguistics and sometimes ethnicity. Most everyone here is speaking an Indo-European language. But when it comes to self-identification, we will merely state the individual Indo-European language that we speak: English, Spanish, French, German, Greek, Persian, etc.
Thanks for the breakdown, but I still don't see many Jewish people calling themselves Judeo-Christians.
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