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Old 09-09-2005, 03:13 PM   #1
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Executive Order

President signs executive order allowing contractors to pay below prevailing wage in affected areas.

The Executive Order is here.


Am I reading this correctly? Can we really not pay at least prevailing wage to those who need it most right now? You know- those residents that will be rebuilding the gulf? The President just signed a $51 billion relief bill. There's a whole lot of people that desperately need dignified-paying jobs.

Isn't this within the realm of State's rights? But, the WH is pointing fingers at the States for not doing enough for relief, while simultaneously hindering efforts and calling all criticism "the blame game".

I'm trying to see the potential benefit of this order, but I simply can not. I can only see it as another disgusting cash-grab for those who this order will benefit the most- corporations whose profit margin will increase, while screwing over the working class, again.

My head is spinning. Discuss?
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Tax cuts for the rich and fuck the poor.
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It's getting to be so over the top that I can hardly beLIEve the American people will continue to stand for it.
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Re: Executive Order

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I'm trying to see the potential benefit of this order, but I simply can not. I can only see it as another disgusting cash-grab for those who this order will benefit the most- corporations whose profit margin will increase, while screwing over the working class, again.
You weren't really expecting an answer here, were you....

The Davis-Bacon Act has been suspended following other natural disasters. Katrina is by no means the first time.

The rationale is that prevailing wage are usually based on union-negotiated wages - not the true prevailing wages in the area. It has been sited before Congress that Davis-Bacon actually inflates the cost of a construction project by as much as 38%.

Suspension of Davis-Bacon allows for faster recovery and the creation of more jobs in the recovery.
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Bush Urges Victims To Gnaw On Bootstraps For Sustenance

WASHINGTON, DC—In an emergency White House address Sunday, President Bush urged all people dying from several days without food and water in New Orleans to "tap into the American entrepreneurial spirit" and gnaw on their own bootstraps for sustenance. "Government handouts are not the answer," Bush said. "I believe in smaller government, which is why I have drastically cut welfare and levee upkeep. I encourage you poor folks to fill yourself up on your own bootstraps. Buckle down, and tear at them like a starving animal." Responding to reports that many Katrina survivors have lost everything in the disaster, Bush said, "Only when you work hard and chew desperately on your own footwear can you live the American dream."




(yes, yes, it IS from The Onion)
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Re: Re: Executive Order

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You weren't really expecting an answer here, were you....

The Davis-Bacon Act has been suspended following other natural disasters. Katrina is by no means the first time.

The rationale is that prevailing wage are usually based on union-negotiated wages - not the true prevailing wages in the area. It has been sited before Congress that Davis-Bacon actually inflates the cost of a construction project by as much as 38%.

Suspension of Davis-Bacon allows for faster recovery and the creation of more jobs in the recovery.
Thanks NB.

And since it will be US tax $ doing the rebuilding, this makes it more efficient as well.
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Bush Urges Victims To Gnaw On Bootstraps For Sustenance

WASHINGTON, DC—In an emergency White House address Sunday, President Bush urged all people dying from several days without food and water in New Orleans to "tap into the American entrepreneurial spirit" and gnaw on their own bootstraps for sustenance. "Government handouts are not the answer," Bush said. "I believe in smaller government, which is why I have drastically cut welfare and levee upkeep. I encourage you poor folks to fill yourself up on your own bootstraps. Buckle down, and tear at them like a starving animal." Responding to reports that many Katrina survivors have lost everything in the disaster, Bush said, "Only when you work hard and chew desperately on your own footwear can you live the American dream."




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Re: Re: Executive Order

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You weren't really expecting an answer here, were you....

The Davis-Bacon Act has been suspended following other natural disasters. Katrina is by no means the first time.

The rationale is that prevailing wage are usually based on union-negotiated wages - not the true prevailing wages in the area. It has been sited before Congress that Davis-Bacon actually inflates the cost of a construction project by as much as 38%.

Suspension of Davis-Bacon allows for faster recovery and the creation of more jobs in the recovery.
Thank you. That's something I did not know.
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Re: Re: Executive Order

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he Davis-Bacon Act has been suspended following other natural disasters. Katrina is by no means the first time.

The rationale is that prevailing wage are usually based on union-negotiated wages - not the true prevailing wages in the area. It has been sited before Congress that Davis-Bacon actually inflates the cost of a construction project by as much as 38%.

Suspension of Davis-Bacon allows for faster recovery and the creation of more jobs in the recovery.
Thanks for the clarity of facts and logic.
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Thanks for the clarity of facts and logic.
I'm glad someone sees "logic" in screwing the laborers.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Executive Order

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I'm glad someone sees "logic" in screwing the laborers.
It's my tax money. Get it spent as efficiently as possible.
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I'm glad someone sees "logic" in screwing the laborers.
Did you read NBC's explanation on why it was suspended? Seems sound to me.
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QUOTE]Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar
I'm glad someone sees "logic" in screwing the laborers. [/QUOTE]


Responses like this only add fire to the accusations that Bush opponents will blame him for anything.

If suspending the Davis-Bacon Act is better long term for an area like New Orleans, then it should be suspended.

Instead of making a reactionary comment as you did above, get the facts and at least attempt to understand the rationale behind certain decisions.
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Remember, the media wants to grab your attention. That's all they care about. Facts can be presented in many many many ways. It's up to you to dissect it and understand the truth. That's difficult to do simply because it requires a lot of time. Many of us are content to draw conclusions based on what we're reading on CNN or MSNBC.

It's sad to see that finger pointing is taking precedence over helping fellow humans (specifically, Brown being sent back to D.C. because of a discrepancy on his resume). Come on folks, is this really going to help the situation?

And 50,000 body bags being prepared (per MSNBC's front page headline on 9/8)?. I sure hope that doesn't prove to be right but that is a little less than 1/2 of the toll from the tsunami (115,000).

jeez.
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