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FizzingWhizzbees said:
I'd say the federal government should be willing to invest enough money in this area to pay a fair wage to those involved in this work. Paying lower wages is intended to save the government money -- Bush's executive order explicitly acknowledges that the fact they are required to pay a living wage increase the cost to the government:

I think the government should prove itself willing to invest the necessary funds in the relief effort, including the necessary funds to pay workers a decent wage. If that means people don't get a tax refund this year or the wealthy don't get a tax cut then so be it -- I think helping people in the areas affected by the hurricane (and paying people a decent wage will help them rebuild their lives) should be prioritised above tax cuts or refunds.

Who said the market wages are not fair and decent? Union wages (the measuring stick) are usually well above market wages (what the rest of employee earn). Why limit the recovery levels with premium level wages?
 
Lally1011 said:
hey...I have a solution....

Let's get Jimmy Carter and his posse to rebuild.

:hmm:

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nbcrusader said:
Who said the market wages are not fair and decent? Union wages (the measuring stick) are usually well above market wages (what the rest of employee earn). Why limit the recovery levels with premium level wages?

Who said the act the President suspended requires the payment of "premium level wages?"
 
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MrBrau1 said:


That logic applies at my workplace.

It applies in every business.

I'm not sure what industry you work in, but it doesn't apply to any career I've had.
 
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FizzingWhizzbees said:


Who said the act the President suspended requires the payment of "premium level wages?"

Look up the act and how it works. The measurement of "prevailing wages" is based on union-negotiated compensation packages. Unions negotiate a premium over market wages for their workers.
 
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nbcrusader said:


Look up the act and how it works. The measurement of "prevailing wages" is based on union-negotiated compensation packages. Unions negotiate a premium over market wages for their workers.

Can I read the act online? I did try to search for it earlier, but I didn't have much time and typing "Subchapter IV of Chapter 31 of Title 40, United States Code" (which is what the White House page says the President suspended) into google didn't immediately yield the information I was looking for.
 
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FizzingWhizzbees said:


Can I read the act online? I did try to search for it earlier, but I didn't have much time and typing "Subchapter IV of Chapter 31 of Title 40, United States Code" (which is what the White House page says the President suspended) into google didn't immediately yield the information I was looking for.

Here is a link to the Act.

There are also regulations that help define the act.

DAVIS-BACON Wage Determination Reference Material
 
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nbcrusader said:


The real world alternative is higher wages for fewer workers.

What do you say to those who want to work, but can't get the jobs because of the mandated compensation levels?

Hey, they can always join the army.

From the Wall Street Journal:

"Ten U.S. Army recruiters are offering volunteer help for Katrina evacuees at Houston's Astrodome. But the recruiters, struggling to keep enlistment up during Iraq war, are also available with options for the jobless. "Our intent is to approach the evacuees at the right time for them,'' says Army spokesman Douglas Smith."

Tactless...
 
I think an executive order should be signed that suspends Congressional wages down to the "prevailing" average wage and benefits of average Americans. You know, maybe $30K a year with large copays for crappy health insurance. No expense account. No ability to vote for your own pay raises.

It's my tax dollars.

Melon
 
melon said:
I think an executive order should be signed that suspends Congressional wages down to the "prevailing" average wage and benefits of average Americans. You know, maybe $30K a year with large copays for crappy health insurance. No expense account. No ability to vote for your own pay raises.

It's my tax dollars.

Melon

Hear hear!!!
 
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MaxFisher said:


Did you read NBC's explanation on why it was suspended? Seems sound to me.
I guess you don`t work in the rebuilding buisness as simple worker.
 
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melon said:


You know the rules:

1) The working class must "sacrifice" in times of need.
2) No-bid, overpriced contracts to large corporations like Halliburton are "patriotic."

Melon

Only in FYM are market wages considered a "sacrifice". Wouldn't it be nice if we could all get paid at a premium over market.

And for every time someone tosses Halliburton as a bad thing, have they ever identified a company that was losing work to Halliburton? There simply are not many companies that can do the work required in these rebuilding efforts.
 
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nbcrusader said:
Only in FYM are market wages considered a "sacrifice". Wouldn't it be nice if we could all get paid at a premium over market.

And for every time someone tosses Halliburton as a bad thing, have they ever identified a company that was losing work to Halliburton? There simply are not many companies that can do the work required in these rebuilding efforts.

What would Halliburton do if the U.S. refused to give any contracts to them? Are they just rolling in dough from all their private contracts? Of course, it helps when your former CEO becomes vice president, right?

I'm sure there's plenty of Middle Eastern companies that could have performed the same jobs that Halliburton is doing, so your argument appears weak.

Melon
 
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melon said:
I'm sure there's plenty of Middle Eastern companies that could have performed the same jobs that Halliburton is doing, so your argument appears weak.

They've never been identified. And there are few US companies capable of the work.
 
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nbcrusader said:
They've never been identified. And there are few US companies capable of the work.

But, you see, that's where "bidding" could have made this more apparent. I guess we'll never know, since they got a "no bid" contract, right?

Melon
 
melon said:
But, you see, that's where "bidding" could have made this more apparent. I guess we'll never know, since they got a "no bid" contract, right?

This just proves my point. Where are the corporations complaining that they didn't get a chance to bid?

There are none.
 
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nbcrusader said:
This just proves my point. Where are the corporations complaining that they didn't get a chance to bid?

There are none.

At least "none" that have hit the national news attention.

Melon
 
The government isn't acting fast enough, so to speed up the process they offer no bid contracts. Now that's a bad thing because time wasn't taken to have a bidding war while nothing would be done in the meantime.

The Shaw Group also received a no-bid contract, and while their founder is a big lib contributor, you never hear anything about that.

Haliburton Haliburton Haliburton. Bush, Cheney. Texas. Oil. Blacks.

Yup all falling into place.
 
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melon said:


At least "none" that have hit the national news attention.

Melon

Given the political use of Halliburton, it would be far more potent if the Dems had companies that could not get the work in the news. I guess they are still looking for them.
 
Bush Reinstating Wages for Katrina Work

By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press WriterWed Oct 26, 1:08 PM ET

The Bush administration will reinstate rules requiring that companies awarded federal contracts for Hurricane Katrina pay prevailing wages, usually an amount close to the pay scales in local union contracts.

Rep. Peter King (news, bio, voting record), R-N.Y., was among congressmen critical of the administration's decision to waive the requirement and who met Wednesday with White House chief of staff Andrew Card. He said Card told them the wage requirement would be reinstated Nov. 8.

"We thought it was bad policy and bad politics, and I guess they accepted our argument," King told The Associated Press. "There's no need to antagonize organized labor."

King was part of a congressional delegation headed by Reps. Frank LoBiondo, R-N.J., and Steven LaTourette, R-Ohio, that met with Card.

In the immediate aftermath of Katrina, President Bush suspended provisions of the 1931 Davis-Bacon Act, which sets wages for employees on federal contracts to ensure they are not underpaid.

The administration contended the move would reduce rebuilding costs and help open opportunities to minority-owned companies, but unions and other critics said it would result in lower pay for workers.
 
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