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Old 09-09-2005, 06:11 PM   #31
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I'd say the federal government should be willing to invest enough money in this area to pay a fair wage to those involved in this work. Paying lower wages is intended to save the government money -- Bush's executive order explicitly acknowledges that the fact they are required to pay a living wage increase the cost to the government:

I think the government should prove itself willing to invest the necessary funds in the relief effort, including the necessary funds to pay workers a decent wage. If that means people don't get a tax refund this year or the wealthy don't get a tax cut then so be it -- I think helping people in the areas affected by the hurricane (and paying people a decent wage will help them rebuild their lives) should be prioritised above tax cuts or refunds.
Who said the market wages are not fair and decent? Union wages (the measuring stick) are usually well above market wages (what the rest of employee earn). Why limit the recovery levels with premium level wages?
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hey...I have a solution....

Let's get Jimmy Carter and his posse to rebuild.

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Who said the market wages are not fair and decent? Union wages (the measuring stick) are usually well above market wages (what the rest of employee earn). Why limit the recovery levels with premium level wages?
Who said the act the President suspended requires the payment of "premium level wages?"
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Old 09-09-2005, 06:27 PM   #34
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That logic applies at my workplace.

It applies in every business.
I'm not sure what industry you work in, but it doesn't apply to any career I've had.
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Who said the act the President suspended requires the payment of "premium level wages?"
Look up the act and how it works. The measurement of "prevailing wages" is based on union-negotiated compensation packages. Unions negotiate a premium over market wages for their workers.
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where is supply-side jesus when you really need him?
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Look up the act and how it works. The measurement of "prevailing wages" is based on union-negotiated compensation packages. Unions negotiate a premium over market wages for their workers.
Can I read the act online? I did try to search for it earlier, but I didn't have much time and typing "Subchapter IV of Chapter 31 of Title 40, United States Code" (which is what the White House page says the President suspended) into google didn't immediately yield the information I was looking for.
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Can I read the act online? I did try to search for it earlier, but I didn't have much time and typing "Subchapter IV of Chapter 31 of Title 40, United States Code" (which is what the White House page says the President suspended) into google didn't immediately yield the information I was looking for.
Here is a link to the Act.

There are also regulations that help define the act.

DAVIS-BACON Wage Determination Reference Material
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Thanks for the links, nbc. I'll read through those webpages tomorrow when I'm a bit more awake and have more time online.
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The real world alternative is higher wages for fewer workers.

What do you say to those who want to work, but can't get the jobs because of the mandated compensation levels?
Hey, they can always join the army.

From the Wall Street Journal:

"Ten U.S. Army recruiters are offering volunteer help for Katrina evacuees at Houston's Astrodome. But the recruiters, struggling to keep enlistment up during Iraq war, are also available with options for the jobless. "Our intent is to approach the evacuees at the right time for them,'' says Army spokesman Douglas Smith."

Tactless...
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I think an executive order should be signed that suspends Congressional wages down to the "prevailing" average wage and benefits of average Americans. You know, maybe $30K a year with large copays for crappy health insurance. No expense account. No ability to vote for your own pay raises.

It's my tax dollars.

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I think an executive order should be signed that suspends Congressional wages down to the "prevailing" average wage and benefits of average Americans. You know, maybe $30K a year with large copays for crappy health insurance. No expense account. No ability to vote for your own pay raises.

It's my tax dollars.

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Hear hear!!!
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Did you read NBC's explanation on why it was suspended? Seems sound to me.
I guess you don`t work in the rebuilding buisness as simple worker.
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President signs executive order allowing contractors to pay below prevailing wage in affected areas.

The Executive Order is here.


Am I reading this correctly? Can we really not pay at least prevailing wage to those who need it most right now?
You know the rules:

1) The working class must "sacrifice" in times of need.
2) No-bid, overpriced contracts to large corporations like Halliburton are "patriotic."

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You know the rules:

1) The working class must "sacrifice" in times of need.
2) No-bid, overpriced contracts to large corporations like Halliburton are "patriotic."

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Only in FYM are market wages considered a "sacrifice". Wouldn't it be nice if we could all get paid at a premium over market.

And for every time someone tosses Halliburton as a bad thing, have they ever identified a company that was losing work to Halliburton? There simply are not many companies that can do the work required in these rebuilding efforts.
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