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Evolution and Intelligent Design:Both Taught in Public Schools?
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A_Wanderer
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Teach ID in a theology classroom and evolutionary biology in the science classroom.
BVS
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Teach science in a science class and theology in a theology class.
It's pretty simple.
It's pretty simple.
Irvine511
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^ what the red-head kid said
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please don't take the U S out of JESUS
would you put Jesus in jail
for practicing medicine without a license
would you put Jesus in jail
for practicing medicine without a license
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the iron horse
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"Teach ID in a theology classroom and evolutionary biology in the science classroom."
Are you saying science can prove evolution without a doubt?
A done, sealed, in the science fact?
The eye of an eagle watches for something called faith.
Are you saying science can prove evolution without a doubt?
A done, sealed, in the science fact?
The eye of an eagle watches for something called faith.
A_Wanderer
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Evolution is a scientific fact and it is also a scientific theory.the iron horse said:
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"Evolution is a scientific fact.."
Please post the facts on the origin of matter and life.
My view is that whatever we believe on this topic is a matter of faith.
I believe God created all, but I have zero science, just faith.
...and a few reasons that make me think this way
Please post the facts on the origin of matter and life.
My view is that whatever we believe on this topic is a matter of faith.
I believe God created all, but I have zero science, just faith.
...and a few reasons that make me think this way
BVS
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the iron horse said:"Evolution is a scientific fact.."
Please post the facts on the origin of matter and life.
My view is that whatever we believe on this topic is a matter of faith.
I believe God created all, but I have zero science, just faith.
...and a few reasons that make me think this way
But is that enough to teach in school?
all_i_want
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well, by that definition you cant really 'teach' faith. so BVS is right.
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BonoVoxSupastar said:
. Or, go to church, too. My dad knew a pastor back in Iowa who said, "I don't teach math in church, so why should religion be taught in school?" Angela
A_Wanderer
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This is not a question about the origin of life (a field in which much study is being done), it is a question of evolution. We have mountains of evidence for evolution from both our knowlege of paleontology right through to genetics. New species arise as conditions change, complex mechanisms on all levels driving natural selection, information being passed down through genes ~ altered through mutation and sexual reproduction.the iron horse said:"Evolution is a scientific fact.."
Please post the facts on the origin of matter and life.
My view is that whatever we believe on this topic is a matter of faith.
I believe God created all, but I have zero science, just faith.
...and a few reasons that make me think this way
You would be hard pressed to argue a case that life on earth is static and it would be impossible to use the scientific method to deduce that God created it because a deity is unfalsifiable and thus unscientific. Science is all about the scientific method to explain the facts. Evolutionary biology fufils this very well, intelligent design (by nature of having an unknown and probably undefineable creator) does not.
the iron horse said:
Science has something called "inherent uncertainty"; that is, when the original Theory of Gravity was disproven, it was then rewritten to reflect contemporary knowledge.
The illogic of creationism and ID is that it considers itself an "alternative theory," as long as the current Theory of Evolution is "disproven." No, if the current Theory of Evolution is found to be wrong in part, it will be rewritten into a different Theory of Evolution. What we know for sure is this:
Creationism and ID have no scientific basis. They are religious tenets that belong in a religion class.
Melon
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melon said:
Only to the extent that (i) science will not consider the concept of God and/or (ii) such concepts are beyond our ability to understand through scientific theory.
u2bonogirl
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I dont understand why if macroevolution can be taught as fact in school when its not proven, then the alternative side cant be taught as well.
Shouldnt kids be given a choice?
Why are people so afraid to allow this?
As somebody who believes in microevolution but also creationism, should I have been forced to attend classes that taught something that went directly against what I believe in?
Shouldnt kids be given a choice?
Why are people so afraid to allow this?
As somebody who believes in microevolution but also creationism, should I have been forced to attend classes that taught something that went directly against what I believe in?
verte76
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ID is philosophy, not science. I was a philosophy minor in college. There's nothing wrong with the ID approach, it's just that it doesn't belong in a science class.
nbcrusader said:
No, it's because science only approaches subjects that can be observed and tested or may be observed and tested. "God" cannot be observed and tested in the concrete realm. It has no place in science class.
Would you support watering down math class with religious precepts? I hear the Bible says "pi" is 3.2, which is wrong.
Melon
u2bonogirl said:
Shintoism holds that the Earth was created with a gigantic penis. Shall we consider that an "alternative theory" for evolution?
No. Creationism and ID aren't even in the realm of "theory," which is a strict scientific definition. Creationism and ID go into the realm of "guessing" with no proof. It has no place in science class. Period.
Yes. There is value in understanding mainstream academic knowledge. I took a class in microeconomics that was nothing more than a propaganda class for supply-side economics. Should I have been forced to attend a class that taught something that went directly against what I believe in? Yes. Now I am very well-informed about where supply-side ideology comes from, and I'm able to formulate intelligent criticisms of it.
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melon said:
I have now officially changed my view of how Earth was created.
I'll keep the jokes to myself.
u2bonogirl
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melon said:
I think what I gained from attending that class was a stronger belief in what I had believed in to begin with
I also got publicly taunted by my teacher for not believing in what most of the rest of the class believed in. There were a few others but they were too ashamed to speak up
I think Ive abandoned all belief now for the schlong theory
u2bonogirl said:I think what I gained from attending that class was a stronger belief in what I had believed in to begin with
I also got publicly taunted by my teacher for not believing in what most of the rest of the class believed in. There were a few others but they were too ashamed to speak up
Well, it is science class. As long as you don't intend to have a career in biology, then it really doesn't matter if you disagree with evolution, ultimately. But now you know what science believes when it comes to the creation of life, and there is some value in that.
I still greatly believe that it would be a huge mistake to taint science with religious tenets. It would be a disaster.
Melon
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melon said:
Theres no way Im going into science. Im too bad at math
I guess I see more reason in creationism than the big bang or darwinism, or anything like that.
Even if I didnt believe in God I think I would still find more reason in it.
madroseka
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I think that ID/Creationism has no place in school at all. I think it is up to the parents of children to teach about creationsim, at home. If your doing your job as good parents, your kids should believe you more than some pin-head biology teacher. Its up the family to enoforce beliefs, not schools.
A_Wanderer
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Nobody in the history of the world has been able to come up with an empirical test for the existence of God, hence as an element God is unfalsifiable and therefore having God or any unfalsifiable being in the equation makes it unscientific.nbcrusader said:
U2democrat
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my own personal belief is that god created evolution, and that the creationism story is symbolic for what really happened. so, i accept both the scientific and religious theories. however, my own personal belief is that if people want to learn creationism, go to sunday school.
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the iron horse
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It takes a lot of faith not to believe in a God.
It takes a lot of faith to believe in a God.
It takes a lot of faith to believe in a God.
u2bonogirl
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the iron horse said:
tis true
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