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Old 03-20-2007, 09:14 PM   #16
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Associated effects were in the stats for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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"Let's pray that the human race never escapes from Earth to spread its iniquity elsewhere."
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How about we stop all this "good and evil" nonsense? Terrorists are not some kind of demonic horde straight out of a Manichean wet dream; as despicable as they are, they are still human beings and this habit of dehumanizing our enemy has far more trouble than its worth. I believe that the Biblical virtue of "Love your enemies" essentially means that; you don't have to excuse their crimes, but you do have to recognize that you have a mutual humanity.

And studies have shown, indirectly, that this does further the cause of peace. As an example, in Lebanon, there was a project to see which culture(s) there had ties to the ancient Phoenicians. In the end, they discovered that everyone there, despite over 2,000 years of diversification, were ultimately from the same origin. Realizing that, when the public was polled, they started having a newfound respect for those that they previously thought of as "the Other." In other words, once people start recognizing the humanity of everyone, not just your allies, it is a small first step towards lasting peace.

So let's first call them by what they are--criminals, insurgents, terrorists, murderers....whatever--and deal with their crimes from there. There's no "evil" out to get you.
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"Let's pray that the human race never escapes from Earth to spread its iniquity elsewhere."
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Misanthropism is probably one of Christianity's worst traits.
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Old 03-21-2007, 12:41 PM   #20
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Misanthropism is probably one of Christianity's worst traits.
There is no misanthropism, just an admittance or understanding that we're flawed. That's what C.S. Lewis was getting at and that's why Christ came in the first place. Christianity doesn't teach hatred of the human race — quite the opposite.

You must be thinking about right wing "christianity."
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Can you really call them suicide bombers? The chickenshits jumped out & just let the kids die.
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Was Ronald Reagan wrong to call the Soviet Union The Evil Empire?
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Well, he didn't know Bush's regime
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Was Ronald Reagan wrong to call the Soviet Union The Evil Empire?
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You have to ask? Of course he was wrong.
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No he bloody well wasn't.
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I stumble myself upon seeing anything good in the Soviet Union.
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Many conservatives claim that this speech was instrumental in bringing about the collapse of the USSR. Non-conservatives say that crediting Reagan's speech for that is like crediting the cheerleading squad for winning the game.
On this subject, I lean towards the latter. In other words, it was neither "right" nor "wrong," but, instead, unimportant.
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