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Old 11-30-2006, 10:24 PM   #1
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Evangelicals an dObama unite ! Bono in Orange county this week..

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...ck=1&cset=true


Bono will be appearing on video, see page 2.

A nice start, pity a lot of the rest of the evangelical movement continue to be a complete and utter embarrasment to what Christ preached
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I've been touting Obama for months now. I respect him a lot, especially for being a Democrat who's not afraid to mention God.
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Re: Evangelicals an dObama unite ! Bono in Orange county this week..

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pity a lot of the rest of the evangelical movement continue to be a complete and utter embarrasment to what Christ preached
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Old 11-30-2006, 11:21 PM   #4
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You forgot "A nice start"

I was kinda happy to see an influential and major evangelical figure take the initiative here. It's a much braver and riskier step for him than it is Obama. I hope his ideas and outlook on the issue gain momentum in the evangelical community.
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You forgot "A nice start"
Well it is a nice start...
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Well it is completely pathetic that some people actually opposed inviting Senator Obama- nothing like letting your ideological beliefs interfere with such a major health issue and with bringing as many people together in order to have a productive dialogue.

Faith groups urge cuts to AIDS fund
Allege opposition to Christian efforts

By John Donnelly, Boston Globe Staff | December 1, 2006

LAKE FOREST, Calif. -- Some leading Christian conservatives, angry over the Global Fund to Fight AIDS's promotion of condoms and its perceived lack of support for faith-based programs, are pushing Congress to cut US support for the AIDS initiative, which was initiated by President Bush in a Rose Garden ceremony five years ago with a $200 million commitment.

The fund -- whose full name is the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria -- has become one of the pillars of the international effort to fight infectious diseases, growing into a $6.6 billion organization that supports programs in 136 countries.

It is a primary vehicle for the AIDS-fighting efforts of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. The only larger HIV and AIDS program in the world is the president's $15 billion, five-year plan.

But the Global Fund, which works closely with foreign governments, is not nearly as popular among conservative Christians in the United States. Some take issue with the Global Fund's policies, which include buying clean needles for drug users, and many are furious that just 6 percent of its program dollars goes to faith-based groups.

"There's cancer in the fund," said Peter L. Brandt, senior director of government and public policy at the Christian group Focus on the Family. "It does such an unbelievable job in discriminating against faith-based organizations."

Fund officials, worried about the religious right's influence in Congress, are pledging to try to give more money to religious charities. The executive director of the fund, Richard G.A. Feachem , yesterday told 2,000 people at an AIDS conference organized by the influential Saddleback Church in Lake Forest that the battle against the virus "will only succeed if the great faiths of the world become totally mobilized."

Feachem, in an interview, said the fund "wants to see many more programs" run by faith groups, though most funding decisions are made by local boards.

Feachem's visit to the church-organized conference occurred as the Senate is considering a proposal to more than double the Bush administration's $300 million budget request for the fund, to $700 million next year; the House wants to spend $445 million. This year, Congress sent $545 million to the fund, $245 million more than Bush requested.

Nonetheless, Brandt said he wants the government to eliminate all spending on the Global Fund's HIV programs because it is not providing sufficient money to faith groups and has given little support to abstinence messages. Brandt said the government could continue to support the fund's tuberculosis and malaria programs.

Some other Christian activists, such as Raymond Ruddy , president of the Gerard Health Foundation in South Natick, which gives about $2 million annually to anti abortion and abstinence programs worldwide, want all US money cut from the fund.

"I see a direct correlation of dollars given to the Global Fund and dollars taken away from" the Bush administration's AIDS efforts, Ruddy said. "The Global Fund is systematically excluding faith-based groups from getting money, and that's not right."

The Bush administration, for its part, has taken something of a middle ground, favoring spending of no more than $300 million on the fund this year.

"The Global Fund has to work; it has to be an integral part of the global response to AIDS," Ambassador Mark R. Dybul , US global AIDS coordinator, said in an interview in his Washington office. But Dybul said he wants the majority of government funds directed to the president's program because he believes it is "right now our most rapid response" to the AIDS pandemic.

Christian health associations deliver at least 40 percent of healthcare in several African countries, including Lesotho, Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Liberia, and Kenya, according to UN figures. In the past year, the US program spent 24 percent of its funds on faith-based groups.

Christoph Benn , director of external relations for the Global Fund, said 6 percent of the fund's principal recipients are religious groups, but money also flows to faith-based subcontractors, although the organization does not track the spending.

He said its system makes it difficult to earmark contracts to faith-based groups. Country oversight boards, consisting largely of government officials and community activists, put together proposals and a Geneva-based technical advisory panel selects recipients only among submitted plans. Faith-based groups hold 4 percent of seats on the country boards, according to fund documents.

Benn objected to several other allegations US Christians made , saying that many programs support abstinence-only messages for young people and also emphasize marital fidelity.

Some US Christian leaders support the fund. Rick Warren , head of Saddleback Church and author of the bestseller "The Purpose Driven Life ," gave Feachem, the Global Fund's director, a bear hug yesterday and pledged that he would work with the fund.

The battle over the fund, though, only is expected to intensify in the weeks leading up to the vote by Congress, expected early next year.

Shepherd Smith , who was instrumental in persuading Congress to set aside 33 percent of US AIDS prevention funds to support abstinence messages, said he and Ruddy tried a year ago to persuade the fund's board to increase spending on faith-based groups. "We were just blown off," he said.

Some Christians' objections also are personal. A letter written earlier this year to members of Congress and signed by Ruddy and Focus on the Family decried the election of Asia Russell , a longtime AIDS activist, to the fund's board.

"She served as spokeswoman for the group who tried to strip naked at the [2004 Republican National] Convention as a protest against Bush administration policies," the letter said, adding, "The fact that the fund would elect a woman with zero qualifications to its board sends a clear message that this is not a serious healthcare organization but, rather, a group dedicated to pursuing a social agenda opposed to US policy."

Bernard Rivers , editor of the Global Fund Observer , an independent newsletter that reports on the fund, defended Russell's election, calling her "phenomenally talented and hard - working."

Russell said in an interview that "my qualifications are not the issue. The issue is the extreme, radical religious right attacking the Global Fund and its supporters because the fund is driven by what countries actually want and doesn't fund unscientifically and technically unsound approaches." She was referring to abstinence-only programs.
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unbelievable. how are condoms more of an attack on the "culture of life" than the AIDS crisis?
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Nightline did a great story on this last night -- Warren standing in the face of arch-conservatives angry that he's giving Obama a place at the table.
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That church is like a cult down here. He, (Warren) is incredibly powerful though, and I think it's great that he's bringing these issues into the forefront.
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That church is like a cult down here. He, (Warren) is incredibly powerful though, and I think it's great that he's bringing these issues into the forefront.
Couldn't all churches be somewhat construed as being cult-like ? Catholics with their rituals and costumes, similarly Jews, Mormons, etc ?

Nonetheless, I think it's great that an influential evangelical is putting up with the crap he's having to put up with and break down barriers for a common good.

Being a pioneer means having to take a few arrows, and he's certainly taking some from the most Un-Christlike bunch of "Christians" you could imagine.

How those people have the audacity to refer to themselves as "Christian" is quite frankly beyond my somewhat limited intellect.
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I can't believe any Christian group would try and take money from the Fund. Focus on the Family is a fascist organization, not a Christian organization. They have no business claiming to be Christian. I say screw them.
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^ *sigh* Must we have another discussion about the definitions of fascism?
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Nonetheless, I think it's great that an influential evangelical is putting up with the crap he's having to put up with and break down barriers for a common good.

Being a pioneer means having to take a few arrows, and he's certainly taking some from the most Un-Christlike bunch of "Christians" you could imagine
Judging from my wanderings around the internet, those arch-conservatives didn't like Warren before all this started, so...he's doubtless used to it by now.
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Judging from my wanderings around the internet, those arch-conservatives didn't like Warren before all this started, so...he's doubtless used to it by now.
well, he DID create a stir by also being pro-save-the-planet, something else Jesus apparently didn't approve of according to the Swaggarts and Falwells.
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I am an Evangelical Christian, and I have to say I am utterly embarrassed by the way most of the Christian community acts. They are still so wrapped up in legalism and judgement that it's ridiculous. If you want to see how far the damage is done check out www.sliceoflaodicea.com Wow. I literally almost cry when I read that. Just do a search of Bono, Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, pretty much anyone who is unafraid to speak out about their faith, and watch them get ripped to shreds. Bono is worst apparently. I think my personal favorite was the girl who said Bono shouldn't be working to fight AIDS because "God gave it to mankind" Yeah, I literally flew into a rage at that point. Oh, and Billy Graham is an apostate and preaches a false gospel. I think Jesus is sick over the state of his church today. I know I am. God Bless!

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