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Old 11-24-2009, 04:41 PM   #571
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before you go, can you give us a list of things that Steve can do because of his gender that you never, ever could do because of your gender?
It also just occurred to me -- I'm also pretty sure men can't have babies.
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It also just occurred to me -- I'm also pretty sure men can't have babies.


neither can Martha.

neither can my Great Aunt who got remarried at 77 after her husband died of cancer.

i mean, you want more examples of women who can't have babies?
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It also just occurred to me -- I'm also pretty sure men can't have babies.
It just occurred to you?

See? Those hetero couples aren't doing the best job at discussing sexual development.
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Learn to throw a baseball from a heterosexual male or you'll end up throwing it like our president.
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Learn to throw a baseball from a heterosexual male or you'll end up throwing it like our president.
You could tell Obama was a basketball player with that toss. It was somewhere between a pitch and a jump shot.
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It just occurred to you?

See? Those hetero couples aren't doing the best job at discussing sexual development.
I'm just not used to having to explain something as basic. But hey, Irvine asked...
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you want more examples of women who can't have babies?
Didn't ask for any examples of women who can't have babies. Give me five examples of men who can.

It would seem that gender essentialism is inherent to biology...
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Didn't ask for any examples of women who can't have babies. Give me five examples of men who can.


so we're boiling marriage down to who can shit out kids or not?

we could dance around all afternoon with notions of gender essentialism, but you're pretty much making gender contingent upon fertility, and i don't think that's something you want to do. unless it is.

and that all has nothing -- nothing -- to do with marriage equality, since fertility is certainly not required for marriage.

the fact of the matter is i have two very good married gay friends who are going to get pregnant using donor sperm and they are going to have a baby. how is this any different than any other non-traditional means of reproduction -- adoption, IVF, straights sometimes use sperm or egg donors -- and what does this have to do with their legal rights to marry each other?
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we could dance around all afternoon with notions of gender essentialism, but you're pretty much making gender contingent upon fertility, and i don't think that's something you want to do. unless it is.
So have we hit "Bingo" yet?
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So have we hit "Bingo" yet?

we've already won the toaster and the mani/pedi gift certificate.
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so we're boiling marriage down to who can shit out kids or not?
Charmingly put.

You posed a simple question -- to whit: "can you name me certain essential parenting techniques that a woman could never, ever provide on the basis of her gender and thus must rely upon her husband to perform because he is a male, and vice versa?" I gave you two answers, both related to parenting (which you asked for), which is part of the equation for most people who get married.

If you don't like the answer, ask a different question, but don't automatically assume your questions are rhetorical.
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You could tell Obama was a basketball player with that toss. It was somewhere between a pitch and a jump shot.
So you like Hoosiers? Chariots Of Fire is my favorite sports movie.
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... Give me five examples of men who can.

It would seem that gender essentialism is inherent to biology...
It would seem - but then again, that would make biology intolerant.
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yeah right
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Charmingly put.

You posed a simple question -- to whit: "can you name me certain essential parenting techniques that a woman could never, ever provide on the basis of her gender and thus must rely upon her husband to perform because he is a male, and vice versa?" I gave you two answers, both related to parenting (which you asked for), which is part of the equation for most people who get married.

If you don't like the answer, ask a different question, but don't automatically assume your questions are rhetorical.


no, nathan, not related to "parenting." related to birthing, maybe, and then not always and not essentially. you most assuredly did not answer the question at all.

now, name me the parental technique that only fathers have that two mothers never could.

so rhetorical or not, you didn't answer the question, you redirected it to more comfortable waters for yourself.
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