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Old 11-22-2009, 03:45 PM   #391
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AEON, are you planning a civil divorce from your wife? That way you could really take a stand against civil marriage. Of course, you wouldn't reap the benefits of civil marriage, but there must be sacrifices made to make a point, right?

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Have there been Christian-based utopias?
Yes there have been. Just ask the Native Americans how it worked out for them.
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I was a bit startled to read last week that a government adviser from the National Academy for Parenting Practitioners said lesbians made better parents than what we can no longer call “normal couples”.

I’m not sure this is quite right because, so far as I can remember, a woman is not able to have a child after having sexual relations with another woman. Unless that woman is from an athletics squad.

In order for a lesbian couple to have had a child, either a turkey baster must have been involved — which is not how most people would like to imagine they came into the world — or they must have visited the state-sponsored British Association for Adoption & Fostering, which thinks that anyone who objects to same-sex parents is a “retarded homophobe”.

Happily, I’m a bit more sensible than this. I do not think that someone who objects to homosexual parents is a retarded homophobe. I believe they have an opinion. But, that said, I emphatically don’t agree that lesbians necessarily make better parents than me. It is impossible to say that someone will make a better parent because she fancies other girls. There will be some lesbians who’ll go out all night and take drugs and there will be some who’ll read a child a bedtime story and be excellent.

I have done some checking on this, and the only evidence I can find comes from research endorsed by the national academy itself. The study examined children raised by just 27 single mothers, 20 lesbian couples and 36, er, differently genital-ed parents and concluded that those raised by women grew up with a better psychological wellbeing.


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I’m not sure this is quite right because, so far as I can remember, a woman is not able to have a child after having sexual relations with another woman. Unless that woman is from an athletics squad.
No, he's not a "retarded homophobe" at all...

Is this another example of male discrimination?
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Quite frankly, either your bible studies or your school did an extremely poor job on your history classes. But it's always interesting to see that people still fall for the occultism bullshit and easily ignore the makeup of European society, which was deeply rooted in the several Christian branches. Which also provided the basis for making out the Jews as enemy number one so easily, along with Gays, Sinti & Roma etc.
Occultism was very important to a lot of senior Nazis. Occult theories were absolutely crucial in the formation of the movement.
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No, he's not a "retarded homophobe" at all...

Is this another example of male discrimination?
A woman is not capable of having a child with another woman, nor is a man capable of having a child by another man, by natural processes. In the real world, that's a pretty standard opinion, in the far left twilight zone, I guess it's retarded homophobia.
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Except the study that this paper is referring to was clearly measuring effective "parenting" not biological reproduction.

Just because two women cannot combine their eggs to have a child by no means leads to the conclusion that they can't be better parents (as the author has concluded). Parenting is something that can be entirely removed from biology and conception does not equal parenting.
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A woman is not capable of having a child with another woman, nor is a man capable of having a child by another man, by natural processes. In the real world, that's a pretty standard opinion, in the far left twilight zone, I guess it's retarded homophobia.
Are you serious? Read my post again, you missed a pretty big part.

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Occultism was very important to a lot of senior Nazis. Occult theories were absolutely crucial in the formation of the movement.
There was a stream that was engaging in occult practices. Hence also the reviving of old Germanic gods and such. But not everyone who took part was an actual believer in it. They did see, however, great value in how they could exploit this imagery, also in furthering the picture of the Arian Herrenrasse.
One of the many ironies of this bunch of idiots was that even though they were doing everything to cleanse and equalize the European society, they themselve were quite a diverse lot. And with the exception of a very few, most notably probably Heydrich, none were "Arians".


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conception does not equal parenting.
Good lord, no. Ask anyone who works with kids for a living.
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Have there been Christian-based utopias?
No.
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No.
Not even the thought of the future 'Kingdom Come'?
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Why is there discussion of occultism, Nazism, and utopias in this thread? We've really lost the plot here.

Homosexuals should be allowed to marry and raise families via either adoption or artificial insemination and given the same rights as heterosexuals for both the marriage and the family raising. Someone tell me why this isn't a good idea.
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Why is there discussion of occultism, Nazism, and utopias in this thread? We've really lost the plot here.

Homosexuals should be allowed to marry and raise families via either adoption or artificial insemination and given the same rights as heterosexuals for both the marriage and the family raising. Someone tell me why this isn't a good idea.
I guess we got a little carried away. I apologize for my part.

Let me ask you this Philly, what are your thoughts if all things are equal (meaning all participants are equally mentally stable, financially stable, educated, upright citizens...etc) - which would you say is the optimal home for a child's upbringing: male/female biological parents, male/female adoptive parents, male/male adoptive parents, or female/female adoptive parents?

At this point, I am not ask you to select one option and have it negate the others- I am just asking which is optimal for a child if all the parents in the scenario are essentially the same with the exception of sexual orientation.
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What about the children?
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