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Old 11-19-2009, 02:05 AM   #271
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Why would only the Civil Union be discriminatory?
Because the other three things have nothing to do with what we're talking about? Because they're all legitimate statuses that anyone can have?

I mean, seriously, INDY (and AEON, et al.) ... what is the problem with gay marriage? Why do you want it to be a union and not a marriage? Is there some difference there that's important, some distinction that matters? Something I'm missing here? I mean, you wouldn't so vehemently be against gays being allowed to marry unless there was something really dangerous about it happening, right?
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That's what we should have told Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks...
How come you never mention Malcolm X (who was a black segregationist ), or Bobby Seale and Huey Newton of the Black Panthers, or Stokely Carmichael of the Black Power Movement.

There were some things (black-liberation, Marxism, Maoism) in the 60's civil rights movement that SHOULD have scared Americans back then. In fact, they STILL SHOULD scare Americans.

Was one automatically a racist if they fought against any concept, idea or action, put forth in the name of civil rights in the late sixties?

Are there any concepts, ideas or actions WE DID take or accept (with the best of intentions) that, in hindsight, now appear to have been a mistake?
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Are there any concepts, ideas or actions WE DID take or accept (with the best of intentions) that, in hindsight, now appear to have been a mistake?
Sounds like you might have some in mind. Could you share those with us?
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Sounds like you might have some in mind. Could you share those with us?
I'm thinking he regrets abolishing indentured servitude and expanding voting rights to non-property owning white men...

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What's wrong with equal but different? Not different in a judgmental way but in a classificational way.

Why would only the Civil Union be discriminatory?
Right now a civil union is not equal to a marriage.

And just like the back of the bus might be on the same bus, it's not equal when you're forced to sit there. Remember that term you and and all those AM radio guys use, "freedom of choice"? Well you're being a hypocrite about it.
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How come you never mention Malcolm X (who was a black segregationist ), or Bobby Seale and Huey Newton of the Black Panthers, or Stokely Carmichael of the Black Power Movement.
Well maybe, here's a crazy idea I know, but maybe it's because I don't support segregation...

Whatever point you were trying to make, you failed.
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What's wrong with equal but different? Not different in a judgmental way but in a classificational way.
Because here's a novel concept: You never bothered to ask what gay people wanted. Instead, you're contented to force them into a classification against their will. If that's the case, then what's wrong with the "non-judgmental classification" of "negroes and coloreds" while we're at it?
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If that's the case, then what's wrong with the "non-judgmental classification" of "negroes and coloreds" while we're at it?
Most African Americans disagree with this correlation.

In Calif 70% supported Prop 8, but they're probably the stupid ones, right?

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Most African Americans disagree with this correlation.

In Calif 70% supported Prop 8, but they're probably the stupid ones, right?

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And the majority is always right... That's what American exceptionalism has taught us!!!
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Most African Americans disagree with this correlation.
What African Americans think of gay people has as much relevance as what white people think of blacks. Neither has the right to impose their will over the civil rights of the other.
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Neither has the right to impose their will over the civil rights of the other.
Not even by a vote?? Why do you hate democracy? What have those socialist/fascist Canadians done to you?
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What African Americans think of gay people has as much relevance as what white people think of blacks. Neither has the right to impose their will over the civil rights of the other.


clearly, in the 1960s, the only legitimate way for blacks to have entered the University of Alabama would have been if the voters of the state of Alabama had voted to allow those 5 students to enter. blacks should only have the rights that white people agree upon and have voted on and can thusly give to them on Christmas morning wrapped up with a bow and a nice little note thanking them for their request, and this is what customer service was able to do.
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How come you never mention Malcolm X (who was a black segregationist ), or Bobby Seale and Huey Newton of the Black Panthers, or Stokely Carmichael of the Black Power Movement.

There were some things (black-liberation, Marxism, Maoism) in the 60's civil rights movement that SHOULD have scared Americans back then. In fact, they STILL SHOULD scare Americans.

Was one automatically a racist if they fought against any concept, idea or action, put forth in the name of civil rights in the late sixties?

Are there any concepts, ideas or actions WE DID take or accept (with the best of intentions) that, in hindsight, now appear to have been a mistake?
Are you honestly unable to disassociate Malcolm X from MLK? Huey Newton from Medgar Evers? Many people sided with MLK and Evers (sane, fair, hopeful, honest and right), and rejected The Black Panthers and Malcolm X (radical, irrational, extreme, wrong). It's not an issue of being racist, it's an issue of common sense and fairness. Saying YES to MLK is far from saying YES to Black Segregation. One is, in fact, the opposite of the other. But you lump them as equal ideas? Huh? Making mention of MLK does not warrant making a mention of Malcom X in the same way that talking about Derek Jeter doesn't warrant a mention of Eli Manning - even if they both play for teams based in NY, that's where the similarity ends.
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Are there any concepts, ideas or actions WE DID take or accept (with the best of intentions) that, in hindsight, now appear to have been a mistake?
I'm assuming you're trying to vaguely reference affirmative action.
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affirmative action gave the Republicans Colin Powell -- they get to point to him as an example of why they're not racist.

thus, Republicans should love affirmative action.
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