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A lot of us are going to hell
according to most evangelicals

I think you guys are giving Horse way too much grief
for beliefs that a majority of people have in many U S states.
 
Oh I personally take no offense at the hell thing given that I don't believe that hell actually exists. :shrug:
 
I didn't get the impression he was referring specifically to gay marriage. If that even matters.



he was calling me a sinner.

in and of itself, i don't care. sin is meaningless to me, nor do i think that being gay qualifies as a sin under most coherent Christian belief systems.

it was the play on words in my signature that irked me because it was the personalization of a belief -- it's the difference between "i believe homosexuality is a sin" vs. "you, faggot, are a sinner."

that's what i took issue with.

though it's kind of exciting -- i think this might be the first time anyone has ever hated directly at me before.
 
I apologize if my post offended you.

I guess, in your view, I am narrow minded.

I am a believer in that Rebel from Nazareth
and I believe the scriptures teach that this world system will increase in sin.

And keep increasing in sin

Until we have faces



Take care



you should probably take some time and actually listen to that Rebel From Nazareth instead of using him to reinforce your prejudices and confirm your vices.

you're a wonderful example of a self-serving, self-justifying Christian.

and it shouldn't surprise you that none of the other self-identified Christians in here -- you know, the ones you once wondered where they were -- ever have much support to offer you.

seems you're just looking for a cheerleader, perhaps a Cheerleader From Nazareth.
 
I'm also not sure he realized it was your sig, as opposed to a comment. I could be wrong.

I've been assured I'm going to hell lots of times, though not online.
 
^ christ killer

he was calling me a sinner.

in and of itself, i don't care. sin is meaningless to me, nor do i think that being gay qualifies as a sin under most coherent Christian belief systems.

it was the play on words in my signature that irked me because it was the personalization of a belief -- it's the difference between "i believe homosexuality is a sin" vs. "you, faggot, are a sinner."

that's what i took issue with.

though it's kind of exciting -- i think this might be the first time anyone has ever hated directly at me before.

I sensed that
you seem to care what others write in here

(I've been called a number of names and never felt compelled to respond or even complain)

IH gets a lot more personal stuff thrown at him than most people in here.
 
I sensed that
you seem to care what others write in here

(I've been called a number of names and never felt compelled to respond or even complain)

IH gets a lot more personal stuff thrown at him than most people in here.



whether called for or not, i have made myself a public gay person in here.

some posters in here have PM'd me over the years either saying that they are gay but too afraid to come out in here, or have asked me about gay people in their lives. thus, i feel a sense of obligation to not take any shit on this particular topic.

yes, i can go overboard -- go see the thread in WTHAAN where the whole "french queers" sub-topic came up -- but i think it's important to call things out because homophobia is so casual, so ingrained, that it has to be called out in order for many people to understand just how words and the near continuous message that a gay person is inferior/wrong/disordered/ridiculous wears and tears on the mind of a gay person.

i've recently had the misfortune of having to confront this issue in my own life. and i've had to eat a lot of shit. and i am not going to do it ever again.
 
but i think it's important to call things out because homophobia is so casual, so ingrained, that it has to be called out in order for many people to understand just how words and the near continuous message that a gay person is inferior/wrong/disordered/ridiculous wears and tears on the mind of a gay person.

Keep doing it. The more these people realize just how offensive they really are, the better. Especially when they do it in the name of God.



i've recently had the misfortune of having to confront this issue in my own life. and i've had to eat a lot of shit. and i am not going to do it ever again.
:hug:
 
Keep doing it. The more these people realize just how offensive they really are, the better. Especially when they do it in the name of God.


and that's all i'm trying to do. i'm sure i can come off as self-aggrandizing. i'm sure i can come off every bit as self-righteous as the holier-than-thou crowd. i'm sure some people are like, "give it a freaking rest." and that's fine. i understand that. maybe i'm doing that right now with this post.




:)
 
and that's all i'm trying to do. i'm sure i can come off as self-aggrandizing. i'm sure i can come off every bit as self-righteous as the holier-than-thou crowd. i'm sure some people are like, "give it a freaking rest." and that's fine. i understand that. maybe i'm doing that right now with this post.

Quite honestly, I don't know how you can take it. I don't think you should give it a rest until you think you need to for your own sanity.

I keep thinking that there is no one else here who has to take the shit that you and melon get on a daily basis from posters. People who claim to be faithful followers of Jesus, who preached Love above all else, who was the Embodiment of Love, who was the One who came to show humans how to Love. They tell you that you're unequal, impatient, wrong, sinful, and a whole bunch of other shit, and then they hide behind His robes when they get called out on it.

So keep on calling them out. Make them defend their intolerance and bigotry and fear.

We'll all be right behind you.


/soapbox
 
^ While I don't entirely disagree, my impression is that nathan is actually centrist overall politically, while coemgen, whom I'm pretty sure has expressed opposition to same-sex marriage in the past, is moderately liberal overall. financeguy is fairly conservative and not opposed to gay marriage, so far as I can tell. (This is all relative to the US political spectrum of course.) Maybe you just meant 'social conservative,' though I don't know that that label fully fits either.
 
^ While I don't entirely disagree, my impression is that nathan is actually centrist overall politically, while coemgen, whom I'm pretty sure has expressed opposition to same-sex marriage in the past, is moderately liberal overall. financeguy is fairly conservative and not opposed to gay marriage, so far as I can tell. (This is all relative to the US political spectrum of course.) Maybe you just meant 'social conservative,' though I don't know that that label fully fits either.



i totally agree. the only truly red-blooded "conservative" i can think of is INDY, when it comes to issues across the spectrum (especially since it's been years since NBC has posted, or even U2Bama, or good old 80'sU2). there's BluerWhite, who's economically and politically conservative, and as well-informed as anyone in here, but he's not particularly culturally conservative. even STING isn't a cultural conservative.

i think one thing that's rather unique about a U2 board is that you're going to get a lot of politically motivated Christians -- many like coemgen and nathan -- who are conservative spiritually, socially, morally, etc., but their politics are going to lean left towards social justice issues.

which is why gay marriage, imho, is such a fascinating topic for some to wrestle with, because it asks you to combine both what might be understood as "morality" as well as social justice, and come to a reconciliation.
 
Connecting the Dots: The Link Between Gay Marriage and Mass Murders

NEW YORK, April 9 /Christian Newswire/ -- On April 4 the NY Times ran adjacent front-page articles on the Iowa Supreme Court decision legalizing 'gay marriage' and the gunman who murdered 13 people in New York. That day the Times also ran an op ed article by Charles M. Blow who expressed concern about the negative impact that conservative media's "talk of revolution" could have on "weak minds."

Commenting on this is Morality in Media President Bob Peters:

"Having lived in New York City for more than 30 years, I am all too aware of the harm that firearms in the hands of criminals can cause. Having grown up in a small town in Illinois, where citizens owned guns without misusing them, I am also aware that guns aren't the underlying problem. I am not an opponent of gun regulation; I am an opponent of making guns the scapegoat for mass murder.

"The underlying problem is that increasingly we live in a 'post-Christian' society, where Judeo-Christian faith and values have less and less influence. Among other things, Judaism and Christianity taught that murder was wrong and that included murder motivated by anger, hatred and revenge. Both religions also taught that we are to love our neighbor as ourselves and to forgive others.

"For many citizens, what has replaced Judeo-Christian faith and values is the secular value system that is reflected in films, rap/music lyrics, and videogames and on TV and now the Internet, where the taking of human life for just about any reason is commonplace and is often portrayed in an appealing manner and in realistic detail. Murder motivated by hatred and revenge is also justified.

"This secular value system is also reflected in the 'sexual revolution,' which is the driving force behind the push for 'gay marriage;' and the Iowa Supreme Court decision is another indication that despite all the damage this revolution has caused to children, adults, family life and society (think abortion, divorce, pornography, rape, sexual abuse of children, sexually transmitted diseases, trafficking in women and children, unwed teen mothers and more), it continues to advance relentlessly.

"It most certainly is not my intention to blame the epidemic of mass murders on the gay rights movement! It is my intention to point out that the success of the sexual revolution is inversely proportional to the decline in morality; and it is the decline of morality (and the faith that so often under girds it) that is the underlying cause of our modern day epidemic of mass murders.

"I would add that if conservative media's irresponsible talk of revolution can 'poison weak minds,' the liberal entertainment media's irresponsible portrayal of mayhem can also poison weak minds."
Connecting the Dots: The Link Between Gay Marriage and Mass Murders - Christian Newswire
 
"The underlying problem is that increasingly we live in a 'post-Christian' society, where Judeo-Christian faith and values have less and less influence.

I'm pretty sure that's what Adam blamed when one of his sons killed the other...


Murder motivated by hatred and revenge is also justified.
Are you trying to say it's not?

But wait, I hear your brothers and sisters defend the death penalty all the time. :scratch:
 
But wait, I hear your brothers and sisters defend the death penalty all the time. :scratch:

But that's different, because it's a conservative cause. It's only wrong when conservatives are against it. :coocoo:
 
But that's different, because it's a conservative cause. It's only wrong when conservatives are against it. :coocoo:



the citizens of Washington DC have an inalienable right to handguns, but the gays have no right to marriage.

and that just about sums it up on the judicial activism front.
 
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