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Old 04-06-2009, 03:00 PM   #46
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Iowa was one of the first to lift the ban on interracial marriage as well...
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And they apparently integrated their schools 100 years before the judicial activism of Brown V. Board.
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This is a joint statement from Iowa Senate Majority Leader Mike Gronstal and Iowa House Speaker Pat Murphy on today’s Supreme Court decision:
Thanks for the information, I happily consider myself better informed.
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BREAKING: Vermont Senate Votes 23-5 to Override Marriage Bill Veto

April 7, 2009 10:14AM
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The Vermont Senate chamber.

BREAKING: The Vermont Senate voted 23-5 to override Gov. Jim Douglas’s (R) veto of the marriage bill.

The House vote is next…

From Marty Rouse, HRC’s national field director, who’s in the middle of the action at the Vermont statehouse:

“The historic and strong senate override vote will be followed by a whisker of a win……for one side. The legislators are flowing into the House chamber and last minute lobbying, winking, and shoulder patting is in full swing.”

what will the VT House do?
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The state Senate voted 23-5 and the House of Representatives voted 100-49 to override Gov. Jim Douglas’s veto, making Vermont the first state to recognize marriage for committed lesbian and gay couples through the legislative process. The Vermont legislation goes into effect September 1.
Time marches on...
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as ever, the world only spins forward.

today, i'm proud to be from New England. bravo to CT, VT, and MA.
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Activist legislators.
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Activist legislators.


unelected, unaccountable ... oh, wait.
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this is good news

the VT Gov took his "George Wallace last stand in the doorway moment" and the legislators were smart enough to move towards the light.



here is a picture of the Governor vetoing the bill



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and there's more.


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D.C. Council Votes to Recognize Other States' Gay Marriages

By Nikita Stewart and Tim Craig
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Tuesday, April 7, 2009; 3:23 PM

The D.C. Council voted today to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states, on the same day that Vermont became the fourth state to legalize same-sex unions.

Domestic partnerships are already legal in the nation's capital. But today's vote, billed as an important milestone in gay rights, explicitly recognizes relocated gay married couples as married.

The initial vote was 12-0. The unanimous vote sets the stage for future debate on legalizing same-sex marriage in the District and a clash with Congress, which approves the city's laws under Home Rule. The council is expected to take a final vote on the legislation next month.

Council member Jim Graham (D-Ward 1), who is gay, called the amendment a matter of "basic fairness."

The city's laws on same-sex unions have been murky, he explained. Couples ask, he said, "Is my marriage valid in D.C.? For years now, it has not been clear."

"It's high time we send a clear, unequivocal message to those persons of the same sex and married in another jurisdiction that their marriage is valid in D.C.," said Graham, who added, "I hope this city recognizes this is a human rights struggle."

Council member David A. Catania (I-At Large), who is also gay, predicted it was only a matter of time before the council also takes up a bill to legalize same-sex marriage in the District. "It's no secret that I have been working on legislation that would take us further," he said. "This is the march toward human rights and equality. This is not the march toward special rights. This is the equality march and that march is coming here."

Council member Phil Mendelson (D-At Large), who has been chipping away at barriers for same-sex couples for years, said he saw the legislation as one that is in keeping with the city's laws. "Some are saying it's an important step. I am saying it's a simple step," said Mendelson, who authored the legislation.

Council member Harry Thomas Jr. (D-Ward 5) called the amendment "long overdue."

"We as a council need to stand in the right place and take the gray area out," he said.
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INDY, i have a serious question.

do you see the "gay rights movement" (for lack of a better term) as something that comes from the sexual revolution of the 1960s or of the civil rights movement of the 1960s?
Both to some degree. I've never said there haven't been equal protection or discrimination issues that required action. Nor would I begrudge same-sex marriage advocates the opportunity to advance their case. I do, however, have serious worries about their methods. Those being law by judicial fiat, denigration of tradition views & customs and social bullying.

So part civil rights, part loosing of sexual mores but I'd add a third component. Identity politics.

The same idenitity politics by the way that made AIDS a medical AND political issue when it should never have been. And yes, both sides are to blame.
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unelected, unaccountable ... oh, wait.
Oh, wait is right.

Actually, this is more what our Founders had in mind.

State laws (democratically imposed of course) that reflect the diverse (Vermont /= Oklahoma) nature of our states and citizens.
As well as states being used as the test-grounds for social and economic experiments, which same-sex marriage surely is. Other states, and the country as a whole, can then monitor the results and in time -- now with some knowledge and experience -- adopt, modify or completely reject what they see.

Federalism. Why it's the forgotten 10th Amendment.
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Oh, wait is right.

Actually, this is more what our Founders had in mind.
they had gay marriage in mind?


and by the way

the Founders were just a bunch of drunken whore mongering slobs

no better or worse than you or I
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So part civil rights, part loosing of sexual mores but I'd add a third component. Identity politics.

The same idenitity politics by the way that made AIDS a medical AND political issue when it should never have been. And yes, both sides are to blame.
Would you care to explain how the left, or the gay community or whoever it is you are referring helped make AIDS a political issue? Unless you mean people being upset that the issue wasn't being addressed back in the '80s and trying to bring about some public awareness are somehow to blame as much as the folks doing the ignoring.
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State laws (democratically imposed of course) that reflect the diverse (Vermont /= Oklahoma) nature of our states and citizens.
As well as states being used as the test-grounds for social and economic experiments, which same-sex marriage surely is. Other states, and the country as a whole, can then monitor the results and in time -- now with some knowledge and experience -- adopt, modify or completely reject what they see.

Federalism. Why it's the forgotten 10th Amendment.

But do we apply this to other issues of Constitutional protection? To wait and see how it goes, mean while generations of people wait to see if their Constitutional protection doesn't offend the majority?
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