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Old 05-27-2009, 11:11 PM   #541
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Again calling names makes you look desperate aside from being ignorant of the scripture.



And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:


Jhn 2:2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.


Jhn 2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.


Jhn 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.


Jhn 2:5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do [it].
How does this address other celebrations, contracts, or other issues?

You obviously didn't understand the question.

I want an example from the Bible of everything you celebrate, get in contract with, or any other conservative issue. I want you to be consistant with the Bible in every single issue you put forth. Otherwise you are just picking and choosing.

I want examples of denying rights.

I want examples of torture.

I want examples of birthdays.

I want examples of lease or mortgage contracts.





Diamond, guess who challenged Jesus about his knowledge of the word...

Given your previous posts, I don't think challenging folks about their knowledge of scripture is a wise thing...
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I have no problem with Gay Domestic Wedded Couples having the civil rights as the same as marrieds couples.

So where's the tyranny?

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You're unlike many of your anti-gay marriage counterparts, and that's a commendable place to be at.

But then the question becomes, why do you believe that "separate but equal" works?
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God gave us free will. So why shouldn't America?

If it doesn't harm another, why are we denying freedom?

Have you conservatives lost your way?
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why do you believe that "separate but equal" works?
Because marriage is a word that stands on it's own.

I think people of the same sex that want to solemnize their union need to come up with a word different from one that already has a clear meaning.

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Because marriage is a word that stands on it's own.

I think people of the same sex that want to solemnize their union need to come up with a word different from one that already has a clear meaning.

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What's wrong with the situation in Massachusetts that makes you think there needs to be different words?

And, more importantly, would you vote for something like Proposition 8 simply because of the wording, or is the idea behind it the more important thing here? I'm genuinely curious.
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How does this address other celebrations, contracts, or other issues?
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Those aren't the topics we're discussing, and I answered the question pertaining to the topic at hand, while you resorted to calling me a liar.

I gave you an example of how Christ attended a marriage between a man and a woman and now you're trying to change the subject.

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What's wrong with the situation in Massachusetts that makes you think there needs to be different words?

And, more importantly, would you vote for something like Proposition 8 simply because of the wording, or is the idea behind it the more important thing here? I'm genuinely curious.
Because what youre saying in Gay Marriage= Homosexual union of 2 people of the opposite sex who are not homosexual but hetrosexual.

It's a term in contradiction w itself. The word marriage is spoken for already, and it means:

2 hetrosexuals of opposite sex who want to unionize/solemenize their relationship.

You need people of opposite sexes to even approach the meaning of the word marriage.

If Prop 8 were worded as :a marriage shall be between a man and a woman and gay partnerships can have similar benefits that men and women have who cohabitate, I would be ok with that.

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Because what youre saying in Gay Marriage= Homosexual union of 2 people of the opposite sex who are not homosexual but hetrosexual.

It's a term in contradiction w itself. The word marriage is spoken for already, and it means:

2 hetrosexuals of opposite sex who want to unionize/solemenize their relationship.

You need people of opposite sexes to even approach the meaning of the word marriage.

If Prop 8 were worded as :a marriage shall be between a man and a woman and gay partnerships can have similar benefits that men and women have who cohabitate, I would be ok with that.

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If you're so hung up on definitions, let's look at what you're suggesting:

Gay partnership - two gay people forming a business, or taking part in some sort of economic venture?

Gay union - an organization that protects the rights of gay workers?

See, the problem with your suggestion is that these labels do not come close to actually describing the relationship that the two parties involved want to have, and what they want to communicate to the world about their commitment to each other. The word that best describes that sort of relationship is - wait for it - marriage.

It's very simple, really.

And just because you're uncomfortable with those uppity gays co-opting your word doesn't mean that you or other heteros have exclusive rights to it. Several states have already decided that, and I have confidence that within the next decade or so, the rest will follow suit.
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You need people of opposite sexes to even approach the meaning of the word marriage.
No actually I don't. You might, but I understand English to be a living language, thus the meaning of words is quite able to develop and change.

I don't get the fear that marriage is somehow devalued if them there gays are allowed to do it too. If Fred and Erma down the street have a shitty-assed marriage, does that mean your marriage is shitty-assed too? If not, why the hell not?
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I understand English to be a living language, thus the meaning of words is quite able to develop and change.
Just watch how the definition of "rich" will develop and change over the next 4 years.
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Just watch how the definition of "rich" will develop and change over the next 4 years.
I'm pretty sure it won't describe me no matter how much it's meaning changes.

But we'll be sure to screw you over real good!
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How does this address other celebrations, contracts, or other issues?

You obviously didn't understand the question.

I want an example from the Bible of everything you celebrate, get in contract with, or any other conservative issue. I want you to be consistant with the Bible in every single issue you put forth. Otherwise you are just picking and choosing.

I want examples of denying rights.

I want examples of torture.

I want examples of birthdays.

I want examples of lease or mortgage contracts.



Diamond, guess who challenged Jesus about his knowledge of the word...

Given your previous posts, I don't think challenging folks about their knowledge of scripture is a wise thing...
Matthew 13:42: "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels."

Mark 9:43-48: And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched."

Luke 16:24: "And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame
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Many “alleged” Christians fail to see typical Christian responses to evil in the world. In the haste to stop the killing of 6 million Jews in the Holocaust, thousands of Christians signed up to go and fight. But closely scrutinize who says Christians stood back and watched in silence.

Few mention Pope Pius XXII’s secret actions to transport as many Christians as possible out of Nazi Germany, or the hundreds of Catholics that worked tirelessly to save as many Jews and Christians from death camps, or even Saint Maximilian Kolbe who traded his life for a citizen incarcerated in a death camp.

Those “kangaroo” Christians seem to forget who came up with the Emancipation Proclamation (Lincoln{Christian}), or a Congress of mostly Christian Republicans who passed the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the Constitution—mainstays for all Blacks today. The writer remembers Catholic Archbishop Joseph Rummel excommunicating three segregationists (1962) for refusing to integrate church schools in Louisiana.

Starting in 1981, the perfect solution was devised for the oncoming crisis of HIV/AIDS, much of which was transpiring in the Black community. A Nobel laureate couldn’t have come up with a better solution—total fidelity in marriage, and no sex with anyone but your marriage partner. Many ignore that advice.

Shockingly, many have molded “enhanced interrogation techniques” with “torture”. There’s a huge difference–as well as a major definition variance–they don’t want to talk about.

Torture involves extreme physical pain or even death, such as the cutting off of appendages, gouging of eyes, use of shredders to the body, electrical shock—you name it. Blood is usually involved.

But water boarding, only done on 3 prisoners in the US, is probably the most “enhanced” of the techniques. Because of the conditions of the test, there was no pain, no blood, no death—only fear. As a result, hundreds maybe thousands, were saved from certain death from terrorists during the “Second Wave”–an assault intended for a high rise on the West Coast, but thwarted by the information gained from water boarding those three terrorists.

Interestingly, all three terrorists are walking around today with their digits intact, tongues attached, and none the worse physically or mentally.

It’s likely even Jesus would have OK’d water boarding if it would have saved his Mom. He would’ve done the same to save his Dad, or any one of His disciples. For that matter, He even died to save all humans.

It’s obvious He would not be happy with those who voted for the candidate who kills because it’s above his “pay grade” to know if they’re alive. Checking the Commandments, killing innocents is against the 5th. Because pro-aborts don’t know for sure life does not exist at conception, they are still willing to risk that it’s not killing.
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