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Old 04-12-2009, 10:29 PM   #211
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A rather weak non-apology, you ought to be more explicit, do you not care that Irvine is going to go to hell?
I get the feeling that's where the party's gonna be at.
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A lot of us are going to hell
according to most evangelicals

I think you guys are giving Horse way too much grief
for beliefs that a majority of people have in many U S states.
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Oh I personally take no offense at the hell thing given that I don't believe that hell actually exists.
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I didn't get the impression he was referring specifically to gay marriage. If that even matters.


he was calling me a sinner.

in and of itself, i don't care. sin is meaningless to me, nor do i think that being gay qualifies as a sin under most coherent Christian belief systems.

it was the play on words in my signature that irked me because it was the personalization of a belief -- it's the difference between "i believe homosexuality is a sin" vs. "you, faggot, are a sinner."

that's what i took issue with.

though it's kind of exciting -- i think this might be the first time anyone has ever hated directly at me before.
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how disappointing
I was planning on meeting you there
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I apologize if my post offended you.

I guess, in your view, I am narrow minded.

I am a believer in that Rebel from Nazareth
and I believe the scriptures teach that this world system will increase in sin.

And keep increasing in sin

Until we have faces



Take care


you should probably take some time and actually listen to that Rebel From Nazareth instead of using him to reinforce your prejudices and confirm your vices.

you're a wonderful example of a self-serving, self-justifying Christian.

and it shouldn't surprise you that none of the other self-identified Christians in here -- you know, the ones you once wondered where they were -- ever have much support to offer you.

seems you're just looking for a cheerleader, perhaps a Cheerleader From Nazareth.
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how disappointing
I was planning on meeting you there


you'll know where to find me.
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deep, we can have fun here on Earth first.
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I'm also not sure he realized it was your sig, as opposed to a comment. I could be wrong.

I've been assured I'm going to hell lots of times, though not online.
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he was calling me a sinner.

in and of itself, i don't care. sin is meaningless to me, nor do i think that being gay qualifies as a sin under most coherent Christian belief systems.

it was the play on words in my signature that irked me because it was the personalization of a belief -- it's the difference between "i believe homosexuality is a sin" vs. "you, faggot, are a sinner."

that's what i took issue with.

though it's kind of exciting -- i think this might be the first time anyone has ever hated directly at me before.
I sensed that
you seem to care what others write in here

(I've been called a number of names and never felt compelled to respond or even complain)

IH gets a lot more personal stuff thrown at him than most people in here.
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I'm also not sure he realized it was your sig, as opposed to a comment. I could be wrong.

I've been assured I'm going to hell lots of times, though not online.


it was a choice to kill Jesus, you know.
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And guilt is always collective, we are dirty sinners.
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I sensed that
you seem to care what others write in here

(I've been called a number of names and never felt compelled to respond or even complain)

IH gets a lot more personal stuff thrown at him than most people in here.


whether called for or not, i have made myself a public gay person in here.

some posters in here have PM'd me over the years either saying that they are gay but too afraid to come out in here, or have asked me about gay people in their lives. thus, i feel a sense of obligation to not take any shit on this particular topic.

yes, i can go overboard -- go see the thread in WTHAAN where the whole "french queers" sub-topic came up -- but i think it's important to call things out because homophobia is so casual, so ingrained, that it has to be called out in order for many people to understand just how words and the near continuous message that a gay person is inferior/wrong/disordered/ridiculous wears and tears on the mind of a gay person.

i've recently had the misfortune of having to confront this issue in my own life. and i've had to eat a lot of shit. and i am not going to do it ever again.
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but i think it's important to call things out because homophobia is so casual, so ingrained, that it has to be called out in order for many people to understand just how words and the near continuous message that a gay person is inferior/wrong/disordered/ridiculous wears and tears on the mind of a gay person.
Keep doing it. The more these people realize just how offensive they really are, the better. Especially when they do it in the name of God.



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i've recently had the misfortune of having to confront this issue in my own life. and i've had to eat a lot of shit. and i am not going to do it ever again.
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Keep doing it. The more these people realize just how offensive they really are, the better. Especially when they do it in the name of God.

and that's all i'm trying to do. i'm sure i can come off as self-aggrandizing. i'm sure i can come off every bit as self-righteous as the holier-than-thou crowd. i'm sure some people are like, "give it a freaking rest." and that's fine. i understand that. maybe i'm doing that right now with this post.


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