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Old 08-04-2006, 06:21 PM   #1
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Empowering the Sexist Pig

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'Baby, Give Me a Kiss'

Interesting article in the L.A. Times today regarding Joe Francis, the founder of the "Girls Gone Wild" empire. In addition to physically abusing the reporter in the story, and a description of what can only be described as rape, the article describes what gives Francis his power - the women who appear on camera for him.

The reporter questioned "why do women do this" and offered two glimpses into the answer:

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When I turn to the flock of pretty girls, Jillian Vangeertry, a 21-year-old student, offers me a warm smile. I feel as if I'm in a bed of kittens. Why, I ask, is she here?

"Anybody enjoys the attention. T-shirts, hats—we got all the accessories," she says. I ask if she plans on going wild for the cameras later. She shrugs. "If you do it, you do it," she says confidently. "You can't complain later. It's almost like your 15 minutes of fame."
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I follow Francis and his bodyguard through the crowd to find Kaitlyn Bultema. She's dancing on a podium and leaps off at the sight of Francis. She's wearing a skirt-and-shirt ensemble that exposes her stomach, most of her breasts and much of her bottom. I ask her why she wants to appear on "Girls Gone Wild" and she looks me in the eye and says, "I want everybody to see me because I'm hot."

It's then that it hits me: This is so much bigger than Francis. In a culture where cheap and portable video technology lets everyone play at stardom, and where America's voyeuristic appetite for reality television seems insatiable, teenagers, like the ones in this club, see cameras as validation. "Most guys want to have sex with me and maybe I could meet one new guy, but if I get filmed everyone could see me," Bultema says. "If you do this, you might get noticed by somebody—to be an actress or a model."

I ask her why she wants to get noticed. "You want people to say, 'Hey, I saw you.' Everybody wants to be famous in some way. Getting famous will get me anything I want. If I walk into somebody's house and said, 'Give me this,' I could have it."
The article then goes on to describe a third women who is selected from the crowd, fed shots of alcohol, taken to "the bus" to be filmed, and then (off camera) deflowered by Francis.

What ideals are we selling to these women who believe sexual exhibition for someone else's profit will lead to fame, money and power?
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Old 08-04-2006, 06:28 PM   #2
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I'm not familiar with Girl Gone Wild but this is just sick
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Re: Empowering the Sexist Pig

What a lovely man.

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What ideals are we selling to these women who believe sexual exhibition for someone else's profit will lead to fame, money and power?
Interesting question, one that's been around for awhile. I just watched Demi Moore's true hollywood story, and they talked about one of her first modeling gigs was this skin magazine, and she said she did it because she thought it would bring her more and better gigs(who knows if it really did). But many celebrities do have something similar to that in their beginnings. Of course she probably got paid more than a t-shirt.
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I think college age girls really believe that sex is power. They don't see it for what it is which is exploitation. I doubt they realize how harmful it can be at the time and considering that they are drinking I'd bet many have regrets.

I wonder what might happen in a few years if many of these girls realize he's gotten rich of off them. I'm sure he's got the legalities covered but a class action lawsuit would be lovely.

He's a disgusting individual.
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That story was disturbing.

To me this seems like little more than crass exploitation of women. Of course they have a right to participate and "express" themselves, but I think it has a lot to do with the warped way in which our culture worships fame and beauty. I just find it so very sad that young women believe that their self-worth is derived from the shape of their bodies.
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I know it's wrong, but if they signed a waver there is nothing they can do about it.

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I know it's wrong, but if they signed a waver there is nothing they can do about it.

and the girls do look happy on the videos?

right? justin?
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I am not say this is right, this is wrong but they agree to it by signing a waver. No the are crying in the videos of course they look happy from the previews they show on cable.
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To me this seems like little more than crass exploitation of women. Of course they have a right to participate and "express" themselves, but I think it has a lot to do with the warped way in which our culture worships fame and beauty
Yes indeed - Joe Francis is filthy rich from all of it, and girls like Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan hang out with him. Not just them, many celebrities do. I saw some show in which he showed his vacation house, it's unbelievable.

But who is buying these videos? After all, you don't see any videos entitled "girls going to med school" or "girls getting a PhD". I'm not saying the women in these videos are not intelligent, that wouldn't be right or fair. I think they're enticed at the thought of fame, and women still aren't given attention and notoriety and fame for being intelligent. Sure some are, but at least in the world of Hollywood it's all about looks. Not just in Hollywood but obviously it's more of an issue there. As long as there's a market for it and males buy the videos, it will exist.

I will read the whole article if I can stomach it, but who is committing rape and why didn't he get in trouble for physically abusing the reporter?

We should focus more on Francis than on the "girls", who is going to do anything about him? I don't see any men protesting him or his "business". Will they stop buying the videos if they read this article?

Just because the women "look happy" doesn't mean they are. When reality hits I would bet at least some are in emotional and psychological pain. It hurts like hell to feel devalued.
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"Sex sells everything," (Francis) says. "It drives every buying decision . . . I hate to get too deep and philosophical here, but only the guys with the greatest sexual appetites are the ones who are the most driven and most successful."
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"Francis has aimed his cameras at a generation whose notions of privacy and sexuality are different from any other. Nursed on MySpace profiles and reality television, many young people today are comfortable with being perpetually photographed and having those images posted on the Internet for anyone to see. The boundaries that once contained sexuality have also fallen away. Whether it's 13-year-olds watching a Britney Spears video, 16-year-olds getting their pubic hair waxed to emulate porn stars or 17-year-olds viewing videos of celebrities performing the most intimate acts, youth culture is soaked in sexuality."
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I will read the whole article if I can stomach it, but who is committing rape and why didn't he get in trouble for physically abusing the reporter?
I believe it may have been Francis who committed rape, according to what was in the original post about him "deflowering" the girl who had been given shots of alcohol.

I hope this article leads to an investigation that puts him in jail.
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"but only the guys with the greatest sexual appetites are the ones who are the most driven and most successful"
Joe is so evolved

All depends on your definition of success. I'll take a poor or average guy who has a great heart and mind and an honest and abiding respect for women.

What will become of Joe Francis when he's an old man sitting in his expensive house and he can't have empty, meaningless sex anymore? Oh well, good thing for him there's Viagra.

Sex sells, but that doesn't mean you have to sell your soul.
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This article should be published in every college newspaper in this nation.
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I am not say this is right, this is wrong but they agree to it by signing a waver. No the are crying in the videos of course they look happy from the previews they show on cable.
Would you consider a consent valid if the signatory is under the influence of alcohol and/or does not reasonably understand what she is signing?
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