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Old 08-08-2006, 08:31 PM   #76
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Don´t forget that peer pressure has a lot to do with it, too.
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Old 08-08-2006, 08:33 PM   #77
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I don't see anyone giving Joe Francis the green light to continue illegal behavior. To the contrary, by focusing on him, we miss the larger problem that will allow others to do the same, or who already operate in a less sanitized fashion.
There is a distinction between rape and taking pictures of girls flashing with their consent, I don't see it as a problem.
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Old 08-08-2006, 08:45 PM   #78
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Drinking => incapable of taking responsibility for actions => victims
Not such big leaps at all when you see laws like the one in MA that Irvine mentioned where any alcohol consumed by a women deems her subsequent consent to sex as null and void in the eyes of the law leaving her the potential victim of rape. With the ability to label an otherwise good guy as a rapist...

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Is this really the form of empowering liberation women are seeking? Or do we just nod, enjoy the show, and say "you go, girl"?
Girls just wanna have fun, and not get raped or scorned as sluts. How does female sexuality get legitimately acknowledged culturally without some level of flaunting? I don't have any answers for that lol.
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Not such big leaps at all when you see laws like the one in MA that Irvine mentioned where any alcohol consumed by a women deems her subsequent consent to sex as null and void in the eyes of the law leaving her the potential victim of rape. With the ability to label an otherwise good guy as a rapist...
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I was amazed to read this. Does it work the other way round then that men who've had a drink in MA can later claim they were seduced and sexually abused by a woman against their will?
I don't see how people can make excuses for womens' behaviour and claim they were victims because they had too much to drink unless say their drinks were being spiked without their knowledge. Isn't the legal drinking age in the USA 21? In most other countries it's 18 if not 16. I think there's more of an argument for saying that a 16 year old girl might be considered a victim by being plied with drink and then taken advantage of but by the age of 21 most women should have reached a level of maturity to cope with such situations.
People don't normally make excuses for mens' behaviour when they get drunk. There's an increasing problem certainly in England of yobbish behaviour where groups of young men get drunk and then go out looking for fights or start vandalising property. Noone would say they were victims in such circumstances because they weren't fully in control of their faculties.
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I was amazed to read this. Does it work the other way round then that men who've had a drink in MA can later claim they were seduced and sexually abused by a woman against their will?



i think most people agree that it is an insane law.



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People don't normally make excuses for mens' behaviour when they get drunk. There's an increasing problem certainly in England of yobbish behaviour where groups of young men get drunk and then go out looking for fights or start vandalising property. Noone would say they were victims in such circumstances because they weren't fully in control of their faculties.

exactly -- hence, the infantilization of women that i was speaking about earlier,
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Not such big leaps at all when you see laws like the one in MA that Irvine mentioned where any alcohol consumed by a women deems her subsequent consent to sex as null and void in the eyes of the law leaving her the potential victim of rape. With the ability to label an otherwise good guy as a rapist...
Fortunately, we don’t use one state’s laws as the guiding principle in all cases. In all likelihood, the MA law was a political/emotional response to a tragic situation, not the result of reasoned application of personal responsibilities. Our statutes are filled with “reactionary” laws.
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According to Drudge..

GIRLS GONE WILD' GUILTY IN SEXUAL EXPLOITATION CASE... Company pleads guilty for failing to 'create and maintain age and identity documents for performers in sexually explicit films'... Under agreements, founder Joseph Francis agrees to plead guilty to offenses and pay fines and restitution totaling $2.1 million... DEVELOPING

At least it's something, but if that's all he's doing is paying 2 million- that's nothing to him. I'm sure his lovely behavior will continue.
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http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...home-headlines

In the court papers distributed by the Justice Department, " 'Girls Gone Wild' admitted filming performers and producing and distributing sexually explicit video materials during all of 2002 and part of 2003 while violating the record keeping and labeling laws."

Specifically, Mantra Films pleaded guilty to three counts of failing to keep the required records and seven labeling violations.

MRA Holding entered into deferred prosecution agreement concerning the information filed in court charging the company with 10 labeling violations. As part of that agreement, the government will dismiss the charges at the end of three years if MRA Holding abides by all of its obligations, the Justice Department said.

MRA Holding also agreed to employ an independent outside monitor selected by the government and provide the monitor complete access to the books and records, production facilities and other locations required to ensure the company's compliance with federal law, the federal agency said.
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It would do him some good to serve some jail time, but you can't learn humility in jail unfortunately


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A federal judge in Panama City, Fla., on Thursday ordered "Girls Gone Wild" founder Joe Francis jailed for contempt of court in a civil suit brought by seven young women who claimed the entrepreneur's film crews had placed them in sexually explicit situations.

Francis, the Santa Monica-based multimillionaire who has made a fortune selling risque videos of scantily clad coeds, was ordered by U.S. District Judge Richard Smoak to surrender to court by noon Thursday, but hadn't done so by mid-evening.

Francis told the Associated Press late Thursday that Smoak "had lost his mind."

"This judge has gone as far as to call me the devil and an evildoer," he said. "It is a case of a judge gone wild."

The court order followed a last-minute collapse in settlement talks between Francis' legal team and lawyers for the women, who were filmed on a Florida beach in 2003. The plaintiffs allege that they were "victimized" by Francis' crew by being put in explicit scenes.

"It is not the judge's role to compel a settlement with the threat of putting one of the parties in jail," said Francis lawyer Jan L. Handzlik, who is appealing the judge's order.

Plaintiffs' attorney Larry Selander declined to comment.

Smoak originally found Francis, 34, in contempt last week after plaintiffs' lawyers complained that Francis had shouted obscenities at their clients in a March 21 outburst during the settlement negotiations.

Smoak ordered Francis jailed if an accord had not been reached in the case by Saturday, but he suspended that order when it appeared that a deal had been struck.

At an emergency hearing Wednesday, a lawyer for the plaintiffs told the judge that he thought the case was resolved but then learned Francis had altered the offer, making it unacceptable to his clients.

A mediator said Francis insisted on a payment plan that would stretch several years.

"He may have snookered us and gotten out Saturday, but he's coming back," Smoak said.

The judge reinstated his civil contempt order, which means Francis could be jailed until a formal mediation session is set up and he participates in a "meaningful" way.
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PANAMA CITY, Fla. -- Blowing his nose and wiping away tears, the multimillionaire founder of the "Girls Gone Wild" video empire pleaded guilty to contempt of court Monday and was sentenced to 35 days in jail.

Joe Francis, who was sued by seven women who were minors when filmed, apologized to the judge for yelling at the plaintiffs during settlement talks.

"I am sorry for my behaviour. It was wrong. I had heard about appeals and things and I was confused. I am sorry, I really am," said Francis, 34.

Francis drew the contempt charge during negotiations to settle the federal lawsuit brought after his production company filmed the women at Panama City Beach in 2003.

Attorneys for the women said Francis, who makes a reported US$29 million a year taping topless women for his videos, lost his temper in negotiations and yelled obscenities at them.

U.S. District Judge Richard Smoak ordered Francis to settle the case or go to jail for contempt of court. When talks fell through, Francis lashed out at Smoak in the media, calling him a "judge gone wild" and questioning the judge's authority to order a settlement.

Smoak had ordered Francis to surrender to U.S. marshals by April 5 and begin serving time on the contempt charge. He did not return to Panama City from his California home until April 10, when authorities met him at the airport.

Francis has since reached an undisclosed settlement with the seven women. Francis had told The Associated Press that they wanted $70 million to settle the case.

Francis has said the women lied about their ages.

His attorney, Jan Handzlik, said being in jail had changed his client.

"He is a different man. Undoubtedly he is a different man," he said.
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It would be great if he really was a different man, actions speak louder than words.
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TMZ has learned that "Girls Gone Wild" mogul Joe Francis has just been charged with one count of misdemeanor sexual battery. The charge was filed by the L.A. City Attorney.

L.A. City Attorney spokesperson Frank Mateljan tells TMZ that Francis was at a birthday party in Los Angeles this past January when he allegedly touched an 18-year-old girl on the breast, buttocks and inner thigh. The woman allegedly repeatedly asked Francis to stop.

Francis will be arraigned May 22. If convicted, he faces a maximum six months in jail and a $2,000 fine.

Francis has a world of legal woes. He's currently in a Florida jail serving 35 days for contempt of court. He faces other charges as well.
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