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Old 11-20-2006, 10:18 PM   #301
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I only think that of BVS.
I never thought brutal honesty was an attribute of a monster. I guess you learn something new everyday.
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I do not think you are a monster, Irvine. I only think that of BVS.


but you're turning me into one -- you're saying that the source of my most intimate vulnerabilities (sex and sexuality, which is true for all people, gay or straight) are inherently bad, sinful, perverted, wrong, and most importantly that they *harm* someone, probably myself. isn't that what sin is? harm?

do you know how hurtful that is?

you obviously love your wife. think about how you feel about her, how multidimensional and complex that love is, how alive and vivid that relationship is, and first understand that homosexual relationships are exactly the same as heterosexual relationships (the good and the bad) and then imagine if someone appeared on your doorstep with a bible and told you that your relationship was SINFUL and WRONG and that Jesus CONDEMNS it.

how could you feel anything other than monsterous?
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I live just north of San Francisco. Trust me, I am used to it.


how many gay people do you know?

how many close friends do you have that are gay?
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I always thought Jesus wanted us to love everybody for who they were
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Old 11-20-2006, 10:23 PM   #305
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but you're turning me into one -- you're saying that the source of my most intimate vulnerabilities (sex and sexuality, which is true for all people, gay or straight) are inherently bad, sinful, perverted, wrong, and most importantly that they *harm* someone, probably myself. isn't that what sin is? harm?

do you know how hurtful that is?

you obviously love your wife. think about how you feel about her, how multidimensional and complex that love is, how alive and vivid that relationship is, and first understand that homosexual relationships are exactly the same as heterosexual relationships (the good and the bad) and then imagine if someone appeared on your doorstep with a bible and told you that your relationship was SINFUL and WRONG and that Jesus CONDEMNS it.

how could you feel anything other than monsterous?
I would join the priesthood.
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I always thought Jesus wanted us to love everybody for who they were
Who ever said anything about not loving anyone?
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I'm not saying that it's coming from you specifically, but there is a lot of hate toward the gay community...even from people not as extreme as the "God hates fags" group. I'm of the belief that a person cannot change their sexual orientation (I can't force myself to go bi or gay, I just happened to be born straight) and I have a hard time believing God would condemn people to hell for being born a certain way. The Bible was written by men, therefore it is fallible in my eyes. If it had been written by women on the other hand...
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I can't believe you typed that with a straight face.
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Have you read your own posts? Melon had it right, they smack of arrogance. I've seen you self righteously judge people's faith or assume they are something they aren't because they don't fit in your box(at least three that I know of), you've repeatedly ignored questions asked of you(too many to count), and you've done this all under the guise of snide remarks and attacks.

Personally I've given up on getting straight answers from you.
I've been waiting for this moment....welcome to the club.
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I can't believe you typed that with a straight face.
I am not sure I am able to understand....was it an attempt at humor?
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I've been waiting for this moment....welcome to the club.
I guess that's the "monster" club...
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I am not sure I am able to understand....was it an attempt at humor?
I can't figure it out myself either.
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how could you feel anything other than monsterous?
Not to cut in here....

But the monster of a liberal christian is wondering if you are in the area this week?

I am pretty drugged up.....I have detoxed because I have to work tomorrow...but as I pass the gravel from the surgery, I intend to take pills again.

Are you areound this week...and are we hooking up?
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I can't believe you typed that with a straight face.
I was kidding. Even though I did consider the priesthood.

Although - I do think a celibate life is a spiritual call for some.
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I guess that's the "monster" club...
I was actually joking about you being a monster. I thought it was obvious.
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