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Old 11-18-2006, 02:28 AM   #151
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Michael Hutchence died attempting auto erotic asphyxiation, in which choking to the point of unconsciousness heightens sexual pleasure.

In addition, the combination of Viagra or other potency enhancing drugs with nitrates (most commonly amyl nitrate or "poppers") can cause severe hypotension and sudden death.

But most commonly, it's not all that unusual for men to suffer fatal heart attacks during or immediately after sexual intercourse. Especially if the relationship is extramarital or involves prostitutes. The cardiac events can be attributed to increased stress combined with an underlying etiology of uncontrolled hypertension or heart disease.


The professor.
But they die from the heart attack, not the orgasm. But hey, nice try everyone.
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Old 11-18-2006, 02:57 AM   #152
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But they die from the heart attack, not the orgasm. But hey, nice try everyone.
If the corpse is smilin'...I'm goin' with orgasm as C.O.D.
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And most homosexuals could give a flying f**k about Christianity and their flat-earth view of the world.

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Actually - I think the world is round.

Also, just because something used to be taboo doesn't mean that today it should no longer be taboo.

Yes, inter-racial marriage used to be taboo and that has now changed. But that doesn't mean that EVERYTHING that used to be taboo should now change. I'm sure you can think off the top of your head a list of actions you think were - and still are - taboo.
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But hey...go right ahead and think Christianity is inherently better than Islam in history.

Earlier you talked about the "success" of the spread of Islam in the Middle East and Africa as if someone was walking around holding revivals in a tent. The truth is - Islam was spread by force.

And for the first several centuries - Christianity spread underground at the risk of death. It was not until Constantine that Christians were safe to practice their faith without fear of persecution. Unfortunately - it also marks the beginning of the state taking over the church - and there were, and still are, consequences for this.

The two religions have much different histories.
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sorry i bowed out of this thread early last night, i have been on the road for most of the month and wanted to spend my evening doing deviant, diseased things with my equally perverted, warped boyfriend like talking to each other and catching up and planning our social calendar for December which is filled with holiday parties as well as discuss thanksgiving plans, have dinner, and plan on going christmas shopping together right after thanksgiving.

we're so disordered. it must be our distant fathers.
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Earlier you talked about the "success" of the spread of Islam in the Middle East and Africa as if someone was walking around holding revivals in a tent. The truth is - Islam was spread by force.

And for the first several centuries - Christianity spread underground at the risk of death. It was not until Constantine that Christians were safe to practice their faith without fear of persecution. Unfortunately - it also marks the beginning of the state taking over the church - and there were, and still are, consequences for this.

The two religions have much different histories.


Melon is absolutely right -- you'd be a great Muslim, had you been born into a Muslim society.
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BVS said he never heard of anyone dying from an orgasm. I think it is safe to say that many people have.
This is a terrible argument. I mean really.

Totally unsupportable and distracts from whatever point is being made. There is so much implied in this statemetn that I'm sure you really don't care to imply.
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So Elton John has sparked a thread about death from orgasm?

I volunteer to go this way.
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Just curious....

If my wife does me in the ass with a dildo, is it sin?

WE have not tried this yet, but, shit, I am getting older and on a lot of percocette today and my mind is wandering.
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Old 11-18-2006, 10:35 AM   #161
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Just curious....

If my wife does me in the ass with a dildo, is it sin?

I'd really like to hear the answer to this question.
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Earlier you talked about the "success" of the spread of Islam in the Middle East and Africa as if someone was walking around holding revivals in a tent. The truth is - Islam was spread by force.

And for the first several centuries - Christianity spread underground at the risk of death. It was not until Constantine that Christians were safe to practice their faith without fear of persecution. Unfortunately - it also marks the beginning of the state taking over the church - and there were, and still are, consequences for this.

The two religions have much different histories.
The history of Islam is not much different than the Israelites' violent conquering of Canaan, is it not? Islam just happened to accept more converts and kill proportionately fewer people in the process.

"When you march up to attack a city, first offer it terms of peace. If it agrees to your terms of peace and opens its gates to you, all the people to be found in it shall serve you in forced labor. But if it refuses to make peace with you and instead offers you battle, lay siege to it, and when the LORD, your God, delivers it into your hand, put every male in it to the sword; but the women and children and livestock and all else in it that is worth plundering you may take as your booty, and you may use this plunder of your enemies which the LORD, your God, has given you. 'That is how you shall deal with any city at a considerable distance from you, which does not belong to the peoples of this land. But in the cities of those nations which the LORD, your God, is giving you as your heritage, you shall not leave a single soul alive. You must doom them all-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-as the LORD, your God, has commanded you, lest they teach you to make any such abominable offerings as they make to their gods, and you thus sin against the LORD, your God. 'When you are at war with a city and have to lay siege to it for a long time before you capture it, you shall not destroy its trees by putting an ax to them. You may eat their fruit, but you must not cut down the trees. After all, are the trees of the field men, that they should be included in your siege?" -- Deuteronomy 20:10-19

Nice to see, though, that "God" loves trees.

As far as I'm concerned, the early pre-Constantinian Christian church is a completely different religion, because it bares little resemblance to the patriarchal blather that has existed since then.

Speaking of patriarchal blather, I once mentioned "original sin" and how it is mostly a construction of St. Augustine of Hippo, rather than the Bible. I'm not sure if you believed me, but it is one of the defining differences between Western Christianity and Eastern Orthodoxy.

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Just thought I'd follow up.

I don't have a lot of love for Islam, don't get me wrong. However, I hate it when people make extra effort to demonize Islam, while glossing over all the violence in Christian history.
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Also, just because something used to be taboo doesn't mean that today it should no longer be taboo.

Yes, inter-racial marriage used to be taboo and that has now changed. But that doesn't mean that EVERYTHING that used to be taboo should now change. I'm sure you can think off the top of your head a list of actions you think were - and still are - taboo.
That usually means having a compelling and logical reason to continue a taboo, rather than basing one on questionable Biblical passages, offensive stereotypes that flat out aren't true, and double standards that not even heterosexuals can live up to.
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Earlier you talked about the "success" of the spread of Islam in the Middle East and Africa as if someone was walking around holding revivals in a tent. The truth is - Islam was spread by force.

And for the first several centuries - Christianity spread underground at the risk of death. It was not until Constantine that Christians were safe to practice their faith without fear of persecution. Unfortunately - it also marks the beginning of the state taking over the church - and there were, and still are, consequences for this.

The two religions have much different histories.
Let's not forget that Charlemagne offered the Saxons a choice between baptism and death. The history of Christianity is full of this stuff. Also, the Muslims didn't always use force to convert. They conquered Damascus and promised the Christians of the city that they wouldn't hurt their churches, and they kept their promise. The non-Muslims simply had to pay an extra tax. They had a vested interest in converting but were not necessarily forced to.
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The history of Islam is not much different than the Israelites' violent conquering of Canaan, is it not? Islam just happened to accept more converts and kill proportionately fewer people in the process.

"When you march up to attack a city, first offer it terms of peace. If it agrees to your terms of peace and opens its gates to you, all the people to be found in it shall serve you in forced labor. But if it refuses to make peace with you and instead offers you battle, lay siege to it, and when the LORD, your God, delivers it into your hand, put every male in it to the sword; but the women and children and livestock and all else in it that is worth plundering you may take as your booty, and you may use this plunder of your enemies which the LORD, your God, has given you. 'That is how you shall deal with any city at a considerable distance from you, which does not belong to the peoples of this land. But in the cities of those nations which the LORD, your God, is giving you as your heritage, you shall not leave a single soul alive. You must doom them all-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-as the LORD, your God, has commanded you, lest they teach you to make any such abominable offerings as they make to their gods, and you thus sin against the LORD, your God. 'When you are at war with a city and have to lay siege to it for a long time before you capture it, you shall not destroy its trees by putting an ax to them. You may eat their fruit, but you must not cut down the trees. After all, are the trees of the field men, that they should be included in your siege?" -- Deuteronomy 20:10-19

Nice to see, though, that "God" loves trees.

There is no doubt that Israel as a nation was founded through violence. However, the Kingdom of God that Christ has ushered in is built on faith – the type of faith that cannot be won at the point of a sword.


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As far as I'm concerned, the early pre-Constantinian Christian church is a completely different religion, because it bares little resemblance to the patriarchal blather that has existed since then.
I agree – the early church probably had more things “right” than we as a church do today. That being said, I don’t think the early church necessarily “tolerated” sexual immorality – which is addressed specifically in 1 Corinthians 6.

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Speaking of patriarchal blather, I once mentioned "original sin" and how it is mostly a construction of St. Augustine of Hippo, rather than the Bible. I'm not sure if you believed me, but it is one of the defining differences between Western Christianity and Eastern Orthodoxy.
Perhaps the definitions are a bit different – but the consequence is similar – we live in a “fallen” world. And this is the main point: that we do not have the power to be “perfect” aside from the “perfection” that God gives us through faith. This is not solely from Augustine – it is clarified by Paul. The concept goes all the way back to Abraham when God credits his faith as righteousness – not his deeds.




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Just thought I'd follow up.

I don't have a lot of love for Islam, don't get me wrong. However, I hate it when people make extra effort to demonize Islam, while glossing over all the violence in Christian history.
I didn’t make any extra effort – I was only correcting you about how you presented the spread of Islam.
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