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Old 11-17-2006, 10:11 PM   #136
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I think it is evident in the battle between Paul and the Judaizers:

I'm confused, how does Paul's battle prove he was only referring to upholding a cultural law?
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Old 11-17-2006, 10:14 PM   #137
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I'm confused, how does Paul's battle prove he was only referring to upholding a cultural law?
Did you read the link? I know it is only wikipedia but it does provide a decent summary.
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Did you read the link? I know it is only wikipedia but it does provide a decent summary.
Yes, that's why I asked the question. How does that website prove that Paul knew he was only upholding cultrual law and not God's law by saying that?
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Old 11-17-2006, 10:25 PM   #139
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Paul was RADICAL in his defiance of Levitical Law.
I quite agree. That's why I hate it when people selectively start quoting from Mosaic Law to denigrate gays.
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Comparing inter-racial unions with gay unions is not the same ball park - it's not even the same league - it's not even the same sport (to paraphrase Jules).
And, yet, 40 years ago, interracial marriage was as taboo as the idea of gay marriage. It's most certainly in the same league.

What kills me is that people don't quite appreciate how many longstanding cultural traditions were broken in the 20th century regarding civil rights. Too many people now just read a history book and take it for granted. That aside, I still see much of the monolithic "this is how it has always been, so it cannot change" kind of thinking that racists and anti-Semites held back then in many of the posts here.
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Heroine feels good, from what I've read - it feels unbelievable good - but that doesn't mean it is good for you.
Riiiiight. To borrow a quote from you...

"It's not even the same league - it's not even the same sport."

I am quite sick and tired of all these implications equating homosexuality with mental illness or addiction. That may fly with the Christian Taliban convention, but it doesn't fly with me or with science.
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And just to refer to the first post...

If Elton John could read the totality of this discussion, he would most certainly reassert that religion should be banned. None of you are helping your case.
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I could care less what Elton John thinks. He writes crap music.
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I could care less what Elton John thinks. He writes crap music.
And most homosexuals could give a flying fuck about Christianity and their flat-earth view of the world.

That's what a sad state that Christianity is in. The entire concept of "Christian love" has become synonymous with a self-masturbatory heterosexual supremacist right-wing hate group.

You might not see it, but that's what outsiders see.
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And most homosexuals could give a flying fuck about Christianity and their flat-earth view of the world.

That's what a sad state that Christianity is in. The entire concept of "Christian love" has become synonymous with a self-masturbatory heterosexual supremacist right-wing hate group.

You might not see it, but that's what outsiders see.
It was a joke, Ormus. Lighten up.
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Funny - I thought it had something to do with a sword and severed heads...
And I bet you think that Christianity was nothing but happiness and smiles in the Dark/Middle Ages. In actuality, the Christianization of Europe spilled plenty of blood. Ask anyone labelled a "heretic."

Iceland was one of the notable exceptions. Wishing to avoid the violent bloodshed that struck the Christianization of Norway and Sweden, they brought it to a vote. The old Norse priestly class certainly would attest to that bloodshed if they could; they were all murdered in an incredibly violent manner.

Of course, this violence is certainly glossed over by most cursory mentions of Christian history. But, after all, only chieftains were generally converted directly. Getting their tribe to go along with it wasn't always so easy, which led to civil war, and neighboring tribes either refused completely or joined a "heretical" denomination, which also led to war between tribes.

But hey...go right ahead and think Christianity is inherently better than Islam in history.
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It was a joke, Ormus. Lighten up.
My apologies, but I don't find this thread to be all that funny.
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Christianity's made plenty of mistakes in history. That doesn't negate the faith of both of its most devoted followers. Just because certain people do certain things in the name of Christ, doesn't mean their Christian.
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My apologies, but I don't find this thread to be all that funny.
I don't either. It's tough to talk about. I know it's probably more tough for you, and I do appoligize if you've been hurt. I think some of us try to slip in a couple jokes to take the sting out of it a bit. No harm meant.

I'm actually all for ending this thread. We could go in circles forever. Believe me. We see this issue from two different perspectives -- our own. We're in debate mode, instead of understanding mode.

There's two things that aren't being represented in this thread. First, you, Irvine and others who may be gay are more valuable than your sexuality. Those of us who are talking about all of this are more valuable than our perspectives. It's easy to get caught up in these big issues and forget the people behind it. I think we've all hurt each other, intentional or not. (I, for one, am tired of being called hateful for simply having an opposing view.)

Also, you're right. I agree with you on something! There's more to Chrisitanity than talking about what God's against. It's easy to forget that when talking about a single topic.

I'm fine with being the first to lay down my guns. (Is this a sin in FYM?)

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BVS said he never heard of anyone dying from an orgasm. I think it is safe to say that many people have.
Michael Hutchence died attempting auto erotic asphyxiation, in which choking to the point of unconsciousness heightens sexual pleasure.

In addition, the combination of Viagra or other potency enhancing drugs with nitrates (most commonly amyl nitrate or "poppers") can cause severe hypotension and sudden death.

But most commonly, it's not all that unusual for men to suffer fatal heart attacks during or immediately after sexual intercourse. Especially if the relationship is extramarital or involves prostitutes. The cardiac events can be attributed to increased stress combined with an underlying etiology of uncontrolled hypertension or heart disease.


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