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Old 02-12-2005, 06:21 AM   #1
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Eliminate the divinity.....tell me about the man

So let's be Thomas jefferson for a minute. Eliminate the divinity of Jesus, and make our own Bible. What do you feel the message of the man is?
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"Owe nothing to anyone, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery; you shall not kill; you shall not steal; you shall not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this saying, (namely) "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no evil to the neighbor; hence, love is the fulfillment of the law." -- Romans 13:8-10

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Eliminate the divinity of Jesus, and make our own Bible. What do you feel the message of the man is?
The one that really matters most -

and is overlooked.
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do unto others as you would have done unto you.

while i don't think this Golden Rule originated with Jesus, he certainly popularized it in the West.

in a secular way, it is how i try to live my life.
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Eliminate the divinity?

Jesus was a man

Like me

My equal

Has no authority over me

Had lots of good ideas - so have many others

I can follow his ideas if they may me feel good.

Otherwise, I can put his ideas on a shelf and pick the ideas of someone else

He was just a man

Like me

With no authority over me

If you eliminate the divinity
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But you can eliminate the divinity and still respect Jesus. Jesus was not a man like me, he was a better man than me. Therefore, I respect his ideas as better than mine, no?

All ideas are not equivalent. Some ideas are better than others. Peace, freedom and democracy are better than war, serfdom and fascism.
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the message might be that even when you just try to lead a good life people might still end up nailing you to a cross
but that doesn't mean your life was in vain
quite the opposite, because you did try to lead a good life
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Eliminate the divinity?

Jesus was a man

Like me

My equal

Has no authority over me

Had lots of good ideas - so have many others

I can follow his ideas if they may me feel good.

Otherwise, I can put his ideas on a shelf and pick the ideas of someone else

He was just a man

Like me

With no authority over me

If you eliminate the divinity
And given the fact that a majority of the world has this interpretation, why not step back and discuss it without arguing over the divinity?
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Why the need for authority?

as a child I needed authoritarian figures

I don’t want a daddy anymore or a king for that matter

I would rather follow someone whose teachings and beliefs I respect
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And given the fact that a majority of the world has this interpretation, why not step back and discuss it without arguing over the divinity?
That Jesus was just a man and not God?

Believers are called to share who Jesus is, not who they want to believe He is.
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Why the need for authority?

as a child I needed authoritarian figures

I don’t want a daddy anymore or a king for that matter

I would rather follow someone whose teachings and beliefs I respect
Why the need for authority?

Because you can follow someone whose teachings and beliefs you respect until you don't want to.

And when we do follow the teachings, it is to show how good we are, not obedient to an almighty Sovereign.
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NB, no offense, start a thread about the divinity then. I asked for a simple discussion based on the kind of thing Thomas Jefferson did. I recognize this may not be what you believe, but the last thing I wanted was a debate about the divinity of Christ. While this is essential to being a Christian in todays world, it is also a major road block when trying to have a discussion about the messasge.
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