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Old 11-09-2006, 11:23 AM   #16
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not true, has he many people fearful. the last 6 years of republican power have all been based on fear.
Sorry, I meant that the only ones fearful and doubtful about this election.
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Old 11-09-2006, 11:25 AM   #17
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I subscribe to Sojo, and this is an article by Jim Wallis that I got today.

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A Defeat for the Religious Right and the Secular Left

In this election, both the Religious Right and the secular Left were defeated, and the voice of the moral center was heard. A significant number of candidates elected are social conservatives on issues of life and family, economic populists, and committed to a new direction in Iraq. This is the way forward: a grand new alliance between liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, one that can end partisan gridlock and involves working together for real solutions to pressing problems.

It is clear from the election results that moderate, and some conservative, Christians - especially evangelicals and Catholics - want a moral agenda that is broader than only abortion and same-sex marriage. Various exit polls showed a shift of 6% to 16% fewer evangelicals and Catholics supporting Republican candidates than in 2004. Poverty, the war in Iraq, strengthening families, and protecting the environment are all moral values. And many Americans this year voted all of their values.

One of the central issues in this election was the continuing violence and death in Iraq. As of this week, 2,836 Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died in this disastrous war. The people have now spoken, and there is a mandate to change the course of U.S. policy in Iraq. The president acknowledged this yesterday with his announcement of the resignation of Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, and his recognition that the country needs a fresh perspective in the Defense Department. We believe that the first order of business for the new Congress and the administration must be determining alternatives to the current disastrous course.

Voters also recognized that while the economy is in good shape for some, there are still too many being left out, especially working families. It is significant that in all six states where an initiative to raise the minimum wage was on the ballot, it passed, in most cases by overwhelming margins. Congress and the administration must now pass a federal minimum wage increase that will benefit all working people in America.
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Old 11-09-2006, 11:31 AM   #18
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what's really sad the dems have no real plan for iraq.

so, the team with no plan won over the team that had a plan that wasn't working well.

imagine the trouncing the dems woulda enjoyed if they had unity and a real plan.

sadly to get beat this bad by an opponent with no better plan is like having a cold glass of water tossed in the face.

and i know about these things, a great many things i do know, having experience much in my youth.

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Old 11-09-2006, 11:53 AM   #19
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what's really sad the dems have no real plan for iraq.

so, the team with no plan won over the team that had a plan that wasn't working well.
I wouldn't say "no plan" for all Democrats.
From Jim Webb's website:

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We should say clearly to the people of Iraq and of the region that we have no plans for a long-term presence in that country. This will take the moral high ground away from the insurgency in the eyes of the Muslim world, and defuse the concern of some Iraqis that we plan to stay for good. This will also put the Iraqi government on notice that it cannot wait forever to stand up before we will stand down. We should not build permanent bases in Iraq. If we’re leaving, we don’t need them, and it sends the wrong message. In the short term, we could move our troops out of the country but within the region – strong possibilities could be Jordan and Kuwait. This would give us the ability to contain the terrorist threat within Iraq without continuing our occupation. From there, we could then bring them home when we’re sure the withdrawal is working. Congress should make sure of this by banning any expenditure for permanent bases in Iraq.

The second step would be for us to begin immediate discussions with those countries that are culturally and historically invested in Iraq, and arguably aligned with us, to become overtly involved in a diplomatic solution, taking responsibility at some level for future stability among Iraq’s competing factions. This is do-able. Quite frankly, it will be more difficult in the wake of our failure to take similar steps during the early stages of the recent events in Lebanon. As you might recall, during the first days of that action, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Bahrain all condemned Hezbollah, as did the Beirut government, for inciting the Israeli attacks. By not taking advantage of those gestures, we lost a great opportunity to bring some long-term stability in both situations. But, we should continue to pursue these sorts of solutions, just as we should work to break Syria apart from its unnatural alliance with Iran through direct discussions – something this Administration, with the strong support of George Allen, has refused to do.
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Old 11-09-2006, 12:12 PM   #20
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what's really sad the dems have no real plan for iraq.
most of the dems have had plans for iraq since the 04 election. some primary candidates had very articulate agendas.
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No terror attacks in the US

Bush and hypocrisy fatigue
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No terror attacks in the US

Bush and hypocrisy fatigue
Are you still mad at me from last night?
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Nice little related story from this part of the world - newspaper reporting that Bono, Eddie Vedder, their respective bandmates and members of Kings of Leon (all currently on tour here in Sydney) spent Wednesday night (Sydney time) at a downtown bar with CNN on, cheering on the results from the US as they came through.
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Old 11-09-2006, 05:54 PM   #24
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what's really sad the dems have no real plan for iraq.


what is/was the Republican plan for Iraq?

i mean, other than continue to be unable to provide any sort of security.
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By Lou Dobbs
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Editor's Note: Lou Dobbs' commentary appears weekly on CNN.com.

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Hallelujah, brothers and sisters. I'm not even sure what "hallelujah" means, but the word just feels right after witnessing what is at the very least an awakening of the power of the people. I'm hopeful that November 7 was also a declaration that middle-class Americans won't be taken for granted by either political party.

This midterm election was a victory for the Democratic Party. Voters rejected the Republican Party out of hand and gave the Senate and the House of Representatives to the Democrats.

Voters chose to overturn our current one-party political structure and returned checks and balance to our government. November 7 also demonstrated that the American electorate is far more discerning and independent-minded than either political party or our elites would like to believe.

While the Democratic Party was the clear winner, I don't believe for even a moment that the Democrats' ideals prevailed over Republican ideals. Election Day was middle-class America's declaration of independence from a Republican-led administration and Congress that for six years has been telling working men and women and their families in this country to shut the f up, listen up and go to hell.

The middle class just returned the favor and demonstrated discernment while delivering their loud message to Washington, D.C.
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Old 11-09-2006, 07:35 PM   #27
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Despite what all the pundits say and what the voters "said" I still can't shake the feeling that the worst is still to come. Bush and Cheney may have a surprise or two for all of us before 2008. An attack on Iran perhaps??? You don't need congress or the senate for that do you? And what if "something" happens involving Iran, Syria or North Korea? I hate to be a pessimist after all this apparent good news but something tells me this whole charade ain't over yet. Call it a gut feeling.
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my top 7 reasons
1. Iraq, the decision to go to war is looking worse by the day.
2. Iraq, the current plan and the stubborn will to keep that plan.
3. Iraq, the cost and the increasing realization that there may not be a way to win, period.
4. I think there are a lot of true conservatives really upset.
Goldwater/Reagan conservatives, the more libertarian conservatives and I think they either sat this one or out or did a protest vote. Not to mention the religous conservatives who feel that the administration doesn't represent their values in general.

5. When the 'fear card' is off the table, the Dems don't look so bad in comparison, even with a lack of great ideas. the last two Presidential elections were 2 of the closest in U.S. history, yet there has been this mythology built up around this great disparity in politics and how the 'Dems' can't seem to win. Obviously it's a myth, Florida in 2000, Ohio in 2004, it's a proverbial coin flip, and the party not in power is going to reap the benefit when things go sour.

6. Corruption/Hypocrisy

7. The biggest one of all. George W. Bush. He's just incompetent and the lackeys in Congress (many of them) didn't have the balls to stand up to him and his failed policy. He has failed, period. Name one domestic agenda this administration has attacked and succeeded in addressing? He's just a failure in nearly all regards.
That's the truth in my eyes, and I didn't have to call him evil or a liar, either. I don't believe he is. He's just wrong and it's time his policies get a proper check and oversight and he's turned into a lame duck.
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i agree w all your reasons but numeral 7.

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I thought 7 was the best one.
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