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Old 01-10-2007, 05:07 PM   #1
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El Presidente Para Simpre.

Yes we know Chavez is doing good for the poor people. But it also seems and yes I have said this before that he is turning Venezuela into a socialist country.

He was sworn into office and said "Fatherland, socialism or death -- I take the oath," http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070110/...venezuela_dc_8

He also wants to scrap presidential term limits and lead the Opec Nations. He is bringing the Telecommunications and Energy companies under government controll like he did with Venezuelas oil company.

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Chavez sworn in for radical new term in Venezuela By Saul Hudson
Wed Jan 10, 9:33 AM ET

CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez was sworn in on Wednesday for a new six-year term that he vowed to use to press a radical socialist revolution including nationalizations that have roiled financial markets.

Emboldened by his landslide re-election win, the typically combative anti-U.S. leader has gone on the attack, deciding to strip a private opposition TV channel of its license and take over some major companies owned by foreign investors.

"Fatherland, socialism or death -- I take the oath," Chavez said.

The man who calls Cuban President Fidel Castro his mentor changed tradition by draping the presidential sash from his left shoulder instead of his right in what he says is a symbol of his socialist credentials.

Legislators at the ceremony in Congress chanted "Long live socialism."

Investors took fright this week at the leftist drive that further consolidates power in the hands of a former coup leader who already controls Congress, the courts and says he has total support in the army and the giant state oil company.

As the United States criticized Chavez's moves against private property, the stock market lost almost a fifth of its value on Tuesday, debt prices tumbled to a six-week low and the currency changed hands at nearly twice the official rate

Still, buoyed by strong oil revenues and high popularity, Chavez is expected to ride out any economic and political storm.

In his political career, the former army officer has survived jail, a coup and a recall referendum.

A leading anti-U.S. voice in the world and in the vanguard of a shift to the left in Latin America, Chavez now wants to scrap presidential term limits and lead the OPEC nation for decades.

Chavez, who rode to Congress for the swearing-in ceremony in an open-top car waving at crowds of supporters, has said his new term's plans include stripping the central bank of its autonomy and taking on special legislative powers.

The opposition has accused Chavez, in power since 1999, of seeking to transform the fourth-biggest oil exporter to the United States into a Cuban-style centralized economy.

BLANK CHECK FROM VOTERS?

Chavez, who won 63 percent of the vote in December, has amplified comparisons with Castro by creating a single party to steer his revolution, but insists he will always tolerate opposition.

By now focusing on the media and utilities in his new term, he is homing in on two sectors that could complete his state control.

"Chavez interprets the election result as giving him a blank check to develop a program that runs against the interests of Venezuela and only serves to benefit himself," Omar Barboza, a leading opposition official, told Reuters.

Chavez insists he needs more power to save Venezuela from exploitation and even attack by capitalist countries, particularly the United States, whose President George W. Bush he has labeled "the devil."

Chavez's nationalization plans remain hazy and the utilities and foreign investors want to know whether he plans to take a 51-percent governing stake or seize all of their enterprises.

Chavez has already confiscated large cattle ranches. But his decision to nationalize the country's biggest telecommunications company CANTV and power firms represents a bold new policy.

Still, investors have generally stayed in Venezuela while Chavez has been in office because the country has high revenue as one of the world's top exporters.

Investment bank Morgan Stanley said in a research note, "We continue to see oil prices as ultimately the key driver" of investments.

(Additional reporting by Patricia Rondon)
So looks like he is following Fidel and Mao.
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Chavez also alluded to Jesus, saying: "I swear by Christ — the greatest socialist in history."
and he said this. http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...a_x.htm?csp=34
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Please don´t believe ibn the results of that election, Venezuelans are smarer than that



We are living a nigthmare !!! I´m very scared and even thinking about to leave the country before is to late
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BTW everytime he says "socialism" he is really saying comunism
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Are you Serious Caroni, well I hope you don't have to leave because of this Lunatic. Who spews shit out his mouth like our Presidente Bush.
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Old 01-10-2007, 06:14 PM   #7
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You can´t imagine the atmosphere here, we, citizens agaisnt this goverment that signed against him in the referendum, are being discriminated, that´s mainly the reason why I think in leaving because I´m afraid they try something against us and take away what we have, you know in comunism there is no such thing as private property. Me and my family are victims of this men.

We are living in a country where there is no laws: what the president wants is what the president gets and all the powers are in his and his people hands, so we don´t have too much to do, we made marchs, strikes and nothing worked, we voted and they gave id`s to foreing people to vote , this together with the lack of leadership of the oposition and the lack institutions to protect people.


Everyone is concerned about Irak and other ishues without noticing that in this side of the world, closer than any of the "enemies" of USA, it is forming what I think it will be the most dangerous situation for that country, not because a possible war (because they would kick aour asses) but the cut of the oil supply; that would affect all the areas of Americans, no matter how hard Bush and his people says they can buy oil from another suplier, Venezuela is very important. I hope the cut of oil supply is just a menace for the sake of both nations

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Thanks for this information Caroni. So sad that this is happening. People are saying he is a good man. But He is a double edged sword to me.
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If he really is a socialist/communist then he is for the poor people. Of course many alleged socialists change their tune once in power.

My hope is that while US imperialism is focused on places like the Middle East socialism can quietly gain a foothold around the world.
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Chavez =
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If he really is a socialist/communist then he is for the poor people. Of course many alleged socialists change their tune once in power.

My hope is that while US imperialism is focused on places like the Middle East socialism can quietly gain a foothold around the world.

Who are some socialists who did not become dictator(Fidel, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin?)
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He's nuts
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Socialism itself is an excuse to a dictatorship , and while hard-work honest people have their cars and other things taken by the government , the leaders get more and more $$$$$
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My hope is that while US imperialism is focused on places like the Middle East socialism can quietly gain a foothold around the world.
Amen to that, at least social democracy. It worked for New Zealand until the eighties ushered in a wave of privatisation that has done nothing good for the country (especially not the railway network).
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If he really is a socialist/communist then he is for the poor people. Of course many alleged socialists change their tune once in power.

My hope is that while US imperialism is focused on places like the Middle East socialism can quietly gain a foothold around the world.
really? i thought you guys died out around 1991.
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