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Old 03-30-2006, 01:33 PM   #31
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But I´m sure police has a means of finding the truth without pitting friends against each other.
The truth is more important than friendship, well to me it is. Who wants to be friends with people who expect you to cover for them when they are involved in wrongdoing? Alleged wrongdoing in this case of course until proven otherwise. You have to answer to yourself, to your own moral principles and conscience and not to your friends- after all you have to live with yourself long after those friends are gone.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12080776/

"A Durham City police search warrant affidavit, released yesterday, describes the accusations: "The victim reported that they began to preform [sic] their dance in master bedroom area. After a few minutes, the males watching them started to get excited and aggressive," according to the police affidavit.

The dancers, concerned for their safety, left the house but returned after one player came out and apologized. Once inside, "Two males ... pulled her into the bathroom. Someone closed the door to the bathroom where she was and said, 'sweet heart you can't leave.' The victim stated she tried to leave and the three males force fully held her legs and arms and sexually assaulted her" for about half an hour as she was "hit, kicked and strangled," according to the police affidavit, which only uses first names. The affidavit does not say what happened to the second dancer.

Police are investigating the crimes of first degree forcible rape, first degree kidnapping, first degree forcible sexual offense, common-law robbery and felonious strangulation."
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Alleged wrongdoing in this case of course until proven otherwise.
in this country you are still innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around... or did i just misread this quote?
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I do hope so too. But I´m sure police has a means of finding the truth without pitting friends against each other.
That's simply not true in cases of rape. Good lawyers can convince jury's she wanted this to happen if there is in fact DNA evidence it doesn't help a whole lot.

Local case: rich boys rape a girl get it on video AND get off. She was promiscuous in the past so the jury lets them go. Seeing her raped with a pool cue wasn't enough.

It helps a whole lot to have eyewitnesses willing to tell the truth!
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Local case: rich boys rape a girl get it on video AND get off. She was promiscuous in the past so the jury lets them go. Seeing her raped with a pool cue wasn't enough.

It helps a whole lot to have eyewitnesses willing to tell the truth!
Unbelievable.
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Old 03-30-2006, 03:10 PM   #35
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in this country you are still innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around
Yes I'm aware of that headache- I guess I should have said "unless and until proven otherwise" gee sorry, I have some personal things weighing heavily on my mind, it might be nice to cut some slack once in a while rather than trying to nitpick at things that I say.

I said "alleged wrongdoing until proven otherwise"-meaning alleged until they are proven guilty I see nothing wrong with what I said
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Local case: rich boys rape a girl get it on video AND get off. She was promiscuous in the past so the jury lets them go. Seeing her raped with a pool cue wasn't enough.

It helps a whole lot to have eyewitnesses willing to tell the truth!
If you are referring to the Greg Haidl case, all three boys were convicted - but it took 2 trials and they received rather lenient sentences considering the evidence.

Separately, an unusual civil case has been filed against one of the defense attorneys for his extreme actions in defending the boys (including accusations of stalking and intimidating the victim).
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If you are referring to the Greg Haidl case, all three boys were convicted - but it took 2 trials and they received rather lenient sentences considering the evidence.

Separately, an unusual civil case has been filed against one of the defense attorneys for his extreme actions in defending the boys (including accusations of stalking and intimidating the victim).

I was waiting for you

after the first trial and following it so closely I stopped reading about it. It made me sick. I know they were finally convicted but they got off very leniently in my mind. Didn't the prosecution end up dropping the more serious charges?

That whole case was dirty.

My point though is the group mentality and boys protecting each other.
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My point though is the group mentality and boys protecting each other.
That also happened in the case in New Bedford, MA that was the basis for the movie The Accused
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Yes I'm aware of that headache- I guess I should have said "unless and until proven otherwise" gee sorry, I have some personal things weighing heavily on my mind, it might be nice to cut some slack once in a while rather than trying to nitpick at things that I say.

I said "alleged wrongdoing until proven otherwise"-meaning alleged until they are proven guilty I see nothing wrong with what I said
whatever your ongoing problem with me is is frankly getting really sad. whatever i did in the past to piss you off this much, i'm sorry. but all i did was make a statement and you went and twisted it as to me nitpicking at something you said.

i tried to PM this or e-mail this, but you aren't allowing it. i was just attempting to clarify a statement. nothing more, nothing less. i'm sorry if that's a problem for you.
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Sorry but I find that you do nitpick at me, and that is tired and sad. Maybe it comes across that way when you don't mean it that way, part of that is your past history of doing that-which you don't agree that you have done. So that's that, no need to drag it out any longer. I clarified what I posted so there's your answer
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our lone issue was over my idiotic postings 2 years ago when the red sox were about to win the world series that i've appologized in the sports forum for a million times already. i don't follow you around looking to pick out little tidbits of your posts to jump on. i have better things to do with my time, thank you. and you did clarify your statement, thank you. and yes, there is no need to drag this out longer.
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According to the Raleigh News & Observer, a neighbor heard one person at the party shouting at the alleged victim as she left the house after the alleged assault: "Thank your grandpa for my cotton shirt.''
*Blinks*

Wow. Just...wow. Real mature, that person's words...

Gotta agree with others here, too, if I knew someone who was involved in this sort of thing, I'd gladly distance myself immediately from them. If they committed a crime, they deserve to be punished for it, I don't care if I know them personally or not. And I really hope that all those who were involved in this horrible activity get the appropriate punishment for their crimes. Idiots.

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I probably miswrote what I was trying to post. But basically what I was trying to say is that my input would only be used if it was truly the last resort.

I would hate to be the one responsible for putting my friend behind bars even if it´s the right thing to do. Basically, I was trying to understand why the teammates are keeping quiet.

I guess peer pressure might also have a lot to do with it. If one of the players said something they would be seen differently by their remaining teamates, I´m sure.

I´m sure it might seem like the right thing to say that I would rat out a friend like that, but truly speaking, I would hate to be in a position where I was (somewhat) responsible for putting a friend behind bars.
You actually value a friendship with someone who likes to gang rape a woman? You're more worried about how other people think of you than other people's health, safety, and right not to be sexually assaulted? You're honestly saying that if your friends raped, threatened, and strangled a girl that was close to you, you'd feel bad about having to testify???

Wow.....
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to be fair, if you found out that a very close friend of yours did something like this, very few of us would immediately run to the police, even though we all say we would.

i wouldn't... i'd be in shock for a little while, then i would confront the person, and then after a day or two if i was confident that he really did it, i'd turn the little fucker in.

when it's someone who's incredibly close to you, there's bound to be a short period of shock and denial before one faces up to the truth of the situation and ultimately does the right thing.

if it was just someone who i knew, or a teammate that i wasn't really tight with? i'd have turned 'em in right away.
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Thanks, Headache. I´m not as articulate as many of you in English but you´ve pretty much summed up the feeling I´ve been wanting to explain.
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