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Old 03-29-2006, 10:51 PM   #16
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Old 03-30-2006, 12:48 AM   #17
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Well, I must at least respect the team's loyalty towards each other. I couldn't rat out a friend even he did the worst thing in the world. Let them figure it out without my help.

I think it's a good political act to suspend the whole team for not talking but really I can't blame them for not talking.
I know a bunch of others have already responded to this, but seriously, what were you thinking when you posted this?!?! What if the rape/assault victim was your girlfriend, or your little sister? You'd honestly still be cool with your friend that did it and "let them figure it out" without saying a thing? If your best friends beat, strangled, and gang rapped your little sister, you'd just sit back and let them figure it out?

I guess if that's really how you feel, so be it, you're entitled to your own opinion. But thank God in this country our court system can distinguish between "respect and loyalty" (had to quote that because rape is anything but either of those, IMO) and aiding and abetting a criminal offense.

If DNA testing can prove that the lacrosse athletes were not the rapists, fine, but I don't have any problems with the entire team being suspended at this point considering that they willingly put themselves in a situation that condones this type of behavior. I have less than zero sympathy. I can't believe people still get away with this.

The saddest thing is, this probably happens to 10,000 other girls every weekend and NO ONE is ever called out or punished because people have attitudes like the one quoted above and think it's OK for their friends to behave like that. How can you call someone who assaults and takes advantage of someone else a friend? Respect and loyalty....yeah, right.
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Yes cover your friends' backsides no matter what they do. My loyalty is to a much higher ideal than that.

I saw on the news last night that an African American woman was walking by their frat house with her friend and she called 911 crying, she said they were outside and called them the n word. Nice way for the little Duke lacrosse frat boys to behave. A neighbor also heard it.
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this is/was the proper way for the university to handle this situation until it can be cleared up. if it turns out that this crime did, in fact, take place, and that members of the team did the crime, and that other members of the team hid the truth, then the entire season should be canceled and every one involved should be thrown out of the university.

that said i hope we all don't jump to conclusions and convict every member of this team and simply let the investigation run it's course. we really don't know much about this case other than what's been reported in the news. what if it turns out that the members of the lax team are innocent? that other students who were also at the party were to blame? what then? this is not a frat house we're talking about here. this is an off campus house rented by the captians of the lacrosse team. odds are that non lacrosse team members were at the house as well.

i just don't like 45 teenagers over the coals before we know the entire story, and i wish that people could just wait for the DNA results to come back before they start going crazy over this. if the DNA tests come back positive? by all means... tear them apart, cancel the season, expell all the team members, fire the coach, do whatever you'd like. but can we just wait the week so that we're sure it was a lax team member before we crucifix them all?
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The problems with this incident go way beyond the team not talking.

Like Headache said...the lacrosse players are not living in a frat house...they are living in a rental unit in a residential neighborhood. The fact that university students have rented this house for as long as they have has frustrated the Durham neighbors. So much that the University has purchased the house from the lanlord and planned to rent it to a prof or university staffer...but they wanted to honor the lacrosse captains' lease. SO, we have a neighborhood/student aspect here too.

THEN we get into the "athletes get special treatment" issues.

This is a situation with enough fuel...it was just looking for something to ignite it. H-bomb.
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I saw on the news last night that an African American woman was walking by their frat house with her friend and she called 911 crying, she said they were outside and called them the n word. Nice way for the little Duke lacrosse frat boys to behave. A neighbor also heard it.
What is the source on this one? Can you post a link? Does it mention "Frat" anywhere with the lacrosse team?
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I believe it was on CNN, I don't have time to look for a link right now. If it wasn't a frat house and was just a regular house I made a simple mistake, I am human.

The alleged victim is saying they made racial comments to her as well
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12065803/pri...playmode/1098/

and a neighbor allegedly heard this one

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...sse/index.html

"The woman who made the accusation is black, and a student at North Carolina Central University, a historically black institution in Durham. According to the Raleigh News & Observer, a neighbor heard one person at the party shouting at the alleged victim as she left the house after the alleged assault: "Thank your grandpa for my cotton shirt.''
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Rich White Kids.

Really, is there anything worse?
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and a neighbor allegedly heard this one

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...sse/index.html

"The woman who made the accusation is black, and a student at North Carolina Central University, a historically black institution in Durham. According to the Raleigh News & Observer, a neighbor heard one person at the party shouting at the alleged victim as she left the house after the alleged assault: "Thank your grandpa for my cotton shirt.''


Now, is this just an angry neighbor, or truly what they said? Either way...YIKES!

Thanks for the links!
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I know a bunch of others have already responded to this, but seriously, what were you thinking when you posted this?!?! What if the rape/assault victim was your girlfriend, or your little sister? You'd honestly still be cool with your friend that did it and "let them figure it out" without saying a thing? If your best friends beat, strangled, and gang rapped your little sister, you'd just sit back and let them figure it out?

I guess if that's really how you feel, so be it, you're entitled to your own opinion. But thank God in this country our court system can distinguish between "respect and loyalty" (had to quote that because rape is anything but either of those, IMO) and aiding and abetting a criminal offense.

If DNA testing can prove that the lacrosse athletes were not the rapists, fine, but I don't have any problems with the entire team being suspended at this point considering that they willingly put themselves in a situation that condones this type of behavior. I have less than zero sympathy. I can't believe people still get away with this.

The saddest thing is, this probably happens to 10,000 other girls every weekend and NO ONE is ever called out or punished because people have attitudes like the one quoted above and think it's OK for their friends to behave like that. How can you call someone who assaults and takes advantage of someone else a friend? Respect and loyalty....yeah, right.
I probably miswrote what I was trying to post. But basically what I was trying to say is that my input would only be used if it was truly the last resort.

I would hate to be the one responsible for putting my friend behind bars even if it´s the right thing to do. Basically, I was trying to understand why the teammates are keeping quiet.

I guess peer pressure might also have a lot to do with it. If one of the players said something they would be seen differently by their remaining teamates, I´m sure.

I´m sure it might seem like the right thing to say that I would rat out a friend like that, but truly speaking, I would hate to be in a position where I was (somewhat) responsible for putting a friend behind bars.
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This situation is disgusting. I do hope justice is properly served.
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I do hope so too. But I´m sure police has a means of finding the truth without pitting friends against each other.
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I probably miswrote what I was trying to post. But basically what I was trying to say is that my input would only be used if it was truly the last resort.

I would hate to be the one responsible for putting my friend behind bars even if it´s the right thing to do. Basically, I was trying to understand why the teammates are keeping quiet.

I guess peer pressure might also have a lot to do with it. If one of the players said something they would be seen differently by their remaining teamates, I´m sure.

I´m sure it might seem like the right thing to say that I would rat out a friend like that, but truly speaking, I would hate to be in a position where I was (somewhat) responsible for putting a friend behind bars.
Instead of worrying about being the one who would be putting your friend who committed a violent crime behind bars, you might wonder why you would want to be friends with someone like that to begin with and why it would be so important what other people thought about you. "Pitting friends against each other"? You should distance yourself as quickly as possible from a friend who you know for a fact is also a rapist (in this hypothetical situation) instead of valuing the friendship. Honestly, your loyalty here is sadly misplaced.
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That was definitely a racist statement. This whole thing is too ugly for words.
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The whole situation really makes Duke look ugly
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