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Old 08-02-2001, 12:33 PM   #16
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ha! Does anyone else see the hypocrisy in this besides me? This Hangley guy calls Dubya a jerk for responding the way he "allegedly" did, but doesn't consider himself a jerk for saying what he did to start the whole damn thing off!
why would it matter whether Hangley is ALSO a jerk?

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Old 08-02-2001, 01:03 PM   #17
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ha! Does anyone else see the hypocrisy in this besides me? This Hangley guy calls Dubya a jerk for responding the way he "allegedly" did, but doesn't consider himself a jerk for saying what he did to start the whole damn thing off!
why would it matter whether Hangley is ALSO a jerk?
I never said Hangley was ALSO a jerk. I said he's THE jerk. He called Bush a jerk, but the truth is that Bush was simply reacting to the actions of a jerk. So, I called Hangley a hypocrite (for calling Bush a jerk when Hangley's the one being the jerk). I simply said that it's completely natural to respond in the way Bush "allegedly" when someone's being a jerk to you.
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I simply said that it's completely natural to respond in the way Bush "allegedly" when someone's being a jerk to you.
it is a natural reaction
but when I'm at work I wouldn't act like that even though I'm only an auditor, not a president

granted, my job is a bit less stressfull

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I'm gonn have to side with Bama, O2 and 80s on this one. Hangley was the jerk for saying something like that in the first place. What the hell did he expect? Bush to suddenly stop everything and call a press conference because one lousy writer doesn't like him?

It's akin to going up to Mike Tyson and saying "I think you're a wimp and a coward," and then crying about what a menace to society he is because he punched you.

Mr. Hangley was trying to get a rise out of the President. What kind of people usually do things just to get a rise out of people? Yes, that's right ladies and gents, jerks.
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I'm quite getting used to G.W. being a jerk so it didn't surprise me.
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My opinions, take 'em or leave 'em:

1) A 'diverse' cabinet means nothing. I almost see it as an overcompensation for the fact that the GOP comes across as a bunch of gun-toting, white-haired, old men. Yet, however, I do applaud at least the facade of diversity; but I still can't get over the fact that Dubya, along with the rest of his 'party,' are raving homophobes, and, until they can get beyond that, they will always be bigots to me.

2) Faith-based initiatives are a recipe for disaster. The religious right doesn't like it, because they want the government to be able to discriminate against what they believe to be 'false religions'--i.e., anyone not Christian. Many are opposed seeing it as a government intrusion into religion--i.e., they will legislate what they can or cannot do. Others are opposed assuming that the government will bend such rules as non-discrimination laws, which, in effect, will allow public funds to be wasted on discriminatory organizations. Then, the rest of us are opposed, because we don't want religion to get an ounce of public funds for any reason whatsoever! Have we learned nothing from what caused the Reformation?

3) As much as I get a chuckle from this article, it really doesn't mean much. Actions do speak a hell of a lot louder than words, and this was, admittedly, a set-up to get a rise out of him (Dubya really needs to learn some better diplomacy. I can imagine that Clinton would have handled a similar situation with far better tact.). Dubya's actions, so far, just make me cringe. I hate the idea of a missile shield, I hate the fact that he encourages right-wing Christianity (a personal dislike of mine), and I hate the fact that he, in almost every case, has sided with stockholder and business-interests over the interests of the working class. It almost makes me want to stay here in London, rather than return to the U.S. Of course, 'who cares what [I] think?'

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crzy, 80s, bama, salome ~ you guys are the best.

I was worried that I'd get my right wings plucked. thanks for letting me give ya my opinion. Hope the "you people" comment didn't offend anyone, it wasn't meant to.

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80's, did you know I'm from Texas because I've mentioned it or did ya guess it because of my deep texas drawwwlll?

Actually, neither. I gave ya a big Texas hug because I'm from Texas.
Here's another hug for ya - a big old bear hug from one right wing nut to another.
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I gave ya a big Texas hug because I'm from Texas. Here's another hug for ya - a big old bear hug from one right wing nut to another.
Vive Conservatism!

Well, shoot fire, where ya from darlin? I'm kickin' up my boots in Houston!!

Actually, after my last post I thought "well that was darn silly, take one gander at my sig and you don't have to think too long 'bout what part of the sticks I hail from!"

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My opinions, take 'em or leave 'em:

1) A 'diverse' cabinet means nothing. I almost see it as an overcompensation for the fact that the GOP comes across as a bunch of gun-toting, white-haired, old men. Yet, however, I do applaud at least the facade of diversity; but I still can't get over the fact that Dubya, along with the rest of his 'party,' are raving homophobes, and, until they can get beyond that, they will always be bigots to me.

2) Faith-based initiatives are a recipe for disaster. The religious right doesn't like it, because they want the government to be able to discriminate against what they believe to be 'false religions'--i.e., anyone not Christian. Many are opposed seeing it as a government intrusion into religion--i.e., they will legislate what they can or cannot do. Others are opposed assuming that the government will bend such rules as non-discrimination laws, which, in effect, will allow public funds to be wasted on discriminatory organizations. Then, the rest of us are opposed, because we don't want religion to get an ounce of public funds for any reason whatsoever! Have we learned nothing from what caused the Reformation?

3) As much as I get a chuckle from this article, it really doesn't mean much. Actions do speak a hell of a lot louder than words, and this was, admittedly, a set-up to get a rise out of him (Dubya really needs to learn some better diplomacy. I can imagine that Clinton would have handled a similar situation with far better tact.). Dubya's actions, so far, just make me cringe. I hate the idea of a missile shield, I hate the fact that he encourages right-wing Christianity (a personal dislike of mine), and I hate the fact that he, in almost every case, has sided with stockholder and business-interests over the interests of the working class. It almost makes me want to stay here in London, rather than return to the U.S. Of course, 'who cares what [I] think?'

Melon

Melon, good to see you back to form. I knew i could count on your vendetta against the religious right to blind you to the truth.

I'll set ya straight here.

1)Where the heck did you get the idea that Dubya is a raving homophobe? Is it because he believes it's morally wrong? Well, you may find that most people do. I think it's wrong. But I don't discriminate against gays. Neither does Dubya.

2)The religious right may not like the Faith-based initiatives, but if some of them don't, it has nothing to do with wanting to discriminate against other religions. It's because of what you list as the second reason-they don't want the government meddling and control that comes hand-in-hand with government funding.

3)As far as Clinton handling it a little better, you may be wrong. Let me tell you a little about a news item from a few years ago. The press had been called out to some construction site. I don't remember what was going on, but I do remember that when Billy Boy arrived, he proceeded to cuss out one of his own people for the press being there...he used the "G**Damn" term, in fact.


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Actually, after my last post I thought "well that was darn silly, take one gander at my sig and you don't have to think too long 'bout what part of the sticks I hail from!"

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Melon, good to see you back to form. I knew i could count on your vendetta against the religious right to blind you to the truth.

I'll set ya straight here.

1)Where the heck did you get the idea that Dubya is a raving homophobe? Is it because he believes it's morally wrong? Well, you may find that most people do. I think it's wrong. But I don't discriminate against gays. Neither does Dubya.

2)The religious right may not like the Faith-based initiatives, but if some of them don't, it has nothing to do with wanting to discriminate against other religions. It's because of what you list as the second reason-they don't want the government meddling and control that comes hand-in-hand with government funding.

3)As far as Clinton handling it a little better, you may be wrong. Let me tell you a little about a news item from a few years ago. The press had been called out to some construction site. I don't remember what was going on, but I do remember that when Billy Boy arrived, he proceeded to cuss out one of his own people for the press being there...he used the "G**Damn" term, in fact.

Well, as I have in the past, I'll have to side with melon on many of the mistakes made by one George W. Bush.

1)Now, Bush has never come out and said that he is some kind of homophobe. But during his tenure as governor of Texas, the man never once publicly uttered the word "AIDS". He never acknowledged an epidemic that is ravaging the homosexual population. Certainly AIDS is not contained within the homosexual community, but to practically deny the existence of such a disease invokes the memories of another president who all but ignored the problem--Ronald Reagan. As Bush ignored the problem in Texas, it only continued to get worse, especially amongst the homosexual population.

In terms of other homesexual-related topics, Bush has once again sided with the opposition. He vehemently opposes both same-sex marriage and gay and lesbian child adoption. He opposed a Texas bill that would have protected gays from discrimination based on sexual orientation. Maybe he doesn't outright hate gays, but he sure doesn't seem to support them in any way.

2)I find it interesting that the "faith-based" initiative seems to be opposed by conservatives such as Rev. Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. They seem to be a bit wary of a bill that recognizes Hare Krishna Consciousness and Scientology as "faiths", which would tread on their beliefs. Alternatively, Bush could attempt to simply pass a bill that would only recognize Christian-run charities as "faith-based", and it just might pass. In my experience, most of the American public seems to have been conditioned to think of Christianity as the "real" religion, while other religions such as Judaism, Islam, and Hinduism are "weird" and "have dumb rules". This is something I feel every time someone asks why I "eat grass" or "worship cows". Much of the ignorance present in America is thought to be harmless--how wrong the American people are. This isn't the fault of George Bush, but simply a side point I'm making. I don't believe the government should be in the business of telling people which faiths are worthy of federal funds, and which are not.

3)The point isn't some vulgar language used here. If so, I could point out the fact that Bush himself called a reporter a "major league asshole" during the campaign. I didn't hear a clamoring from the parents and churches to have Bush immediately quit the campaign--and why would they? That type of language has become rather commonplace. The point of the article--relatively unimportant as it may have been--is that Bush gave a fairly childish response to a valid statement. Perhaps the "I hope you only serve four years" part was excessive, but it seems that Bush's response would be taken aback even if my six-year-old cousin had said it. The President of the United States should be able to deal better, even with people such as Mr. Hangley, who seemed to just be provoking Bush. Either way, there were many, many ways that Bush could have replied other than "Who cares what you think". I'm not surprised, but it doesn't really change my opinion on Bush. He's never been much of a diplomat, and he continues to not be one.


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