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Old 12-15-2004, 03:28 PM   #16
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An interesting choice for an example, but censorship is about much more than indecentcy. All kinds of things are censored in this nation not just those things found indecent.

The problem is no one on the right will stand up and fight against this using censorship as their reason, because then they will be opening a floodgate of ideas and images that they've been censoring for years.

Dread said it all, you won't find someone who will fight for censorship as a concept.
Yeah, I doubt anyone worth knowing is going to protest this. I'm with you on your point that the students shoud have a choice to attend the assembly/concert. I do think that some things are meant to be censored, such as the examples I used, but I don't necessarily think it's great to censor and restrict a band that might actually have something meaningful to say. From the band's perspective, their interpretation might be "Our ideals and convictions are not welcomed by the public, yet all we have to offer is a positive message. I guess depression and anger are the only ways to get your music heard."

And some wonder why kids are so depressed and angry these days... it's all they listen to. But then again, what would they rather do, sit in class or see a rock band? I don't know for sure.
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Yeah, I doubt anyone worth knowing is going to protest this. I'm with you on your point that the students shoud have a choice to attend the assembly/concert. I do think that some things are meant to be censored, such as the examples I used, but I don't necessarily think it's great to censor and restrict a band that might actually have something meaningful to say. From the band's perspective, their interpretation might be "Our ideals and convictions are not welcomed by the public, yet all we have to offer is a positive message. I guess depression and anger are the only ways to get your music heard."

And some wonder why kids are so depressed and angry these days... it's all they listen to. But then again, what would they rather do, sit in class or see a rock band? I don't know for sure.
If the main theme of the band's music wasn't Christian in nature, but was "God sucks" and they got censored, the ACLU would be all over it like the proverbial flies on turds.

Speaking of censorship, my new pet peeve is radio stations playing slightly censored songs (although it's often so subtle you don't hear it), only to find out they're entirely inappropriate for my young kids when they want me to buy it for them and I do the cursory good parent lyric review only to then have to tell them no. Green Day - You are a most egregious offender, and your use of profanity adds absolutely nothing to your songs, other than display your lack of imagination when it comes to vocabulary. Oh, and wave bye bye to a potential purchase, not that it will affect you too much.
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If the main theme of the band's music wasn't Christian in nature, but was "God sucks" and they got censored, the ACLU would be all over it like the proverbial flies on turds.
This will probably be the only comment I give thumbs up to with the word "turd" in it.
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If the main theme of the band's music wasn't Christian in nature, but was "God sucks" and they got censored, the ACLU would be all over it like the proverbial flies on turds.
What?! The ACLU would have no say what's so ever in this. There were talks that the band were going to play and then the school decided no, if it was any other band it would still be the same situation. ACLU would have absolutely no say. Do you honestly think a public school would allow a band like Marilyn Manson to play? Come on!
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What?! The ACLU would have no say what's so ever in this. There were talks that the band were going to play and then the school decided no, if it was any other band it would still be the same situation. ACLU would have absolutely no say. Do you honestly think a public school would allow a band like Marilyn Manson to play? Come on!
Considering a public school put on a play called The Vagina Monologues, I don't see that day too far away.
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Considering a public school put on a play called The Vagina Monologues, I don't see that day too far away.
Oh horrors that "that" word should ever be uttered in a public school! The world will certainly end now! Aaahhhhh!!!!
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Some people aren't just pushing the envelope, they're molesting the envelope. Sexuality in schools: always welcome, no questions. Spirituality: can barely be taught. Yep.
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Sexuality in schools: always welcome, no questions. Spirituality: can barely be taught.
Sexuality has to be taught in schools because parents have refused for generations and generations.
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all ya all are so smart.

i have 3 kids and it is so confusing to be a parent now a days.

its sad they arent letting that band play-

ive got a super idea....WHY dont the parents JOIN the kids at the show-...then if the kids have questions about god, drugs, etc.
it would be a great oppurtunity to dicuss things...

weve got so many things guiding our kids besides ourselves...when it comes to tv radio internet ..etc...and we dont want to hurt thier feelings if we dont exactly agree or get what they are into- we dont want them to turn away from us ..but society promotes so much independence..they can end up as confused as we are.

I dont know if what im saying makes any sense to anyone else but me. I hope so..


Im pretty open to discussing sexual topics with my kids...so open that they are shocked sometimes...im not graphic ..but i do use words like vagina and penis and condom...why not? Ive got no idea what they might like to me to refer to those things as anyway ......who knows what names they invent?

as for religion...I was raised catholic..baptised in a catholic church etc. etc.......but im not confirmed...therefore not a REAL catholic..
i call myself a christian...but im not a born again christian...i dont like the charismatic christian style...i guess i desire for me and my family a place in between but as far as I know that doesnt exist.

im gettin off topic so ill stop
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You know, I have to say that seeing The Vagina Monologues was an absolutely amazing experience for me. I saw it as a sophomore in college, although I know there were girls there younger than I. It deals with being comfortable with and proud of a woman's body (warts and all, as it were), with surviving sexual abuse and harassment, racism, sexism, and way more.

When I saw it, too, it was a benefit performance for a rape crisis center, and they were featuring men's monologues, too--men responding to sexism and sexual violence and talking about how they wanted to change the system and do their part to not perpetuate the cycle of violence.

It was, again, totally amazing.
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all ya all are so smart.

i have 3 kids and it is so confusing to be a parent now a days.

its sad they arent letting that band play-

ive got a super idea....WHY dont the parents JOIN the kids at the show-...then if the kids have questions about god, drugs, etc.
it would be a great oppurtunity to dicuss things...

weve got so many things guiding our kids besides ourselves...when it comes to tv radio internet ..etc...and we dont want to hurt thier feelings if we dont exactly agree or get what they are into- we dont want them to turn away from us ..but society promotes so much independence..they can end up as confused as we are.

I dont know if what im saying makes any sense to anyone else but me. I hope so..


Im pretty open to discussing sexual topics with my kids...so open that they are shocked sometimes...im not graphic ..but i do use words like vagina and penis and condom...why not? Ive got no idea what they might like to me to refer to those things as anyway ......who knows what names they invent?

I am also a mother of 3 and a lot of this makes sense to me. I was just getting ready to post, instead of hiding things from kids, use it as a chance to teach them! It doesn't mean they're going to join any particular religion or be naked taking their crapper apart. But isn't education and enlightenment always better than hiding in the darkness? It only breeds more misunderstanding, fear and hate in everyone
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You know, I have to say that seeing The Vagina Monologues was an absolutely amazing experience for me. I saw it as a sophomore in college, although I know there were girls there younger than I. It deals with being comfortable with and proud of a woman's body (warts and all, as it were), with surviving sexual abuse and harassment, racism, sexism, and way more.

When I saw it, too, it was a benefit performance for a rape crisis center, and they were featuring men's monologues, too--men responding to sexism and sexual violence and talking about how they wanted to change the system and do their part to not perpetuate the cycle of violence.

It was, again, totally amazing.
there's a lot of misconception out there about what 'the vagina monologues' is all about. maybe people freak out when they hear the word vagina used in such a context and assume it's borderline porn or something. the play has taken on a life of its own, and has become its own social justice movement, speaking out against violence against women. eve ensler is one of my favourite people on the planet.

i saw the play on valentine's day in 2003, at my university. i went with one of my best friends (and i have to say it was the best valentine's day i've ever had). i too was completely blown away, with the screenplay, and with the tremendous acting talents in our midst.

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I've only seen bits and pieces on an HBO special, so I wasn't going to comment if I feel it should be in high schools or not. But yes I think anything with the word vagina in it will scare some people.

In America everyone is having sex but no one likes to talk about it.
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Course, then again, we condemn them for censoring things, and then turn right around and do the same thing we yell at them for doing-that doesn't really make much sense.


I'm reminded of the words, "They say that what you mock will surely overtake you. And you become a monster, so the monster will not break you."
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