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Old 07-28-2005, 02:40 PM   #16
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A picture cannot capture a woman's real beauty. As we teach our daughter, beauty comes from within.
It might be a good idea to teach that to your son as well.

I wholeheartedly support this, even though I still think it's not much more than a marketing scheme.
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Old 07-28-2005, 02:56 PM   #17
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It might be a good idea to teach that to your son as well.
These are definitely family lessons
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Old 07-28-2005, 06:07 PM   #18
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It's about time someone stood up to this stupid social mentality about beauty.
indeed.

when these ads first started, i read about another study that said that only 2% of women worldwide consider themselves beautiful. when the responses were limited to north americans, the number dropped to 1%. can you imagine? 99% of the women out there are walking around feeling ugly because they don't look like a 90 pound supermodel.

and there's also the study in fiji: before american television was introduced in fiji, managing weight for the purposes of appearance was unheard of. in fact, in their language they had no equivalent word for 'fat' (ie. no derogatory word for physically large people). the word they did have, translated roughly into 'healthy fullness'. after amercian tv channels began airing in fiji, the number of women dieting, as well as the number of women with eating disorders, jumped up dramatically.


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"For the idea of beauty to become truly democratic and inclusive, then beauty itself must be revitalized to reflect women in their beauty as they really are rather than as portrayed in the current fictions that dominate our visual culture.”
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Old 07-28-2005, 06:18 PM   #19
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This is the ad for anyone who hasn't seen it. I hope it's OK to have a picture of women in their underwear in FYM

This makes me want to buy their products..I saw the women on the Today Show and they're all beautiful.

OMG! The white lady! The one who is glowing...er, literally! She is as white as me! I might be technically whiter though as my opalescent skin has a 'I'm really cold' purple tinge to it.



This is great, though. The campaign and that advertisement. I'd buy their products for simply acknowledging that some people are so white they glow in the dark!
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The girl second from right was a high school friend of one of my co-workers-apparently she still lives here in Fort WOrth.

As a guy, I have to say these women are just as beautiful as any "supermodel".
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OMG! The white lady! The one who is glowing...er, literally! She is as white as me! I might be technically whiter though as my opalescent skin has a 'I'm really cold' purple tinge to it.



This is great, though. The campaign and that advertisement. I'd buy their products for simply acknowledging that some people are so white they glow in the dark!

Rock on pale ass white chicks! (Is one herself )


This is really great. Also encouraging to see so many males posting with postive replies to this one.
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Old 07-29-2005, 11:50 AM   #22
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a very good message.

i have been impressed by dove. while many brands venture down the socially conscious path, and some have previously done it along the 'beauty lies beneath the skin' angle, dove seems to have pulled it off with tact. we can only hope it is successful as only market success will encourage further marketing of this type.
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Old 07-30-2005, 05:14 PM   #23
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Just want to balance the idea of beauty, so that she doesn't become "looks obsessed".
Yes, exactly! As a parent, I could not agree with you more on this. One of the worst things a parent can do for his/her daughter is to dwell frequently on her appearance--EITHER positively or negatively. By doing so you reinforce the most damaging message of all, which is that a woman's physical beauty (or perceived lack of it) is an appropriate measure of her human worth.

Ultimately, it is not really our beauty ideals that are the problem--an "all-inclusive ideal" of beauty (or anything else) is a contradiction in terms, anyway. The problem begins when "less than ideal" becomes synonymous in our minds with "less worthy of bring loved, desired and respected."
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has anyone found it a tad ironic that they are using a campaign celebrating the beauty of the "average" woman to pitch products to change the way women look?
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Old 07-30-2005, 06:44 PM   #25
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has anyone found it a tad ironic that they are using a campaign celebrating the beauty of the "average" woman to pitch products to change the way women look?
Dove is not a cosmetics brand, they sell soaps, face scrubs, lotions. These are products that don't change your appearance, just make you clean/mosturized.

Also, on a different point, what if they WERE a cosmetics brand and had these women in funky makeup? Would that be a problem? Wearing makeup doesn't constitute a lack of self esteem.
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Dove is not a cosmetics brand, they sell soaps, face scrubs, lotions. These are products that don't change your appearance, just make you clean/mosturized.

Also, on a different point, what if they WERE a cosmetics brand and had these women in funky makeup? Would that be a problem? Wearing makeup doesn't constitute a lack of self esteem.

This latest campaign is pitching Dove Firming Lotion, an anti-cellulite product, so in a way, I can see the contradiction. That said, I actually love this campaign and think that its a refreshing change from the usual ad. I am especially appreciative that they've used pale women and women with curly hair
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This latest campaign is pitching Dove Firming Lotion, an anti-cellulite product, so in a way, I can see the contradiction.
Oops, my bad, that is somewhat different. I just thought it was a general Dove ad.
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A nice idea, but I see people twice their size on the street everyday. The obese and morbidly obese, even in the catalogs devoted to their clothing sizes, are not truly represented. We're willing to edge a little closer to reality, but not too far.
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I suppose it's good...but this isn't out of the goodness of their heart. They did market research, and found that this would be effective with the 90% of women who aren't supermodels. I mean it's a good message and all, but they're just doing business.

Anyway, good for all you guys trying to teach your daughters to be comfortable with themselves, but don't be surprised if it doesn't work...my parents tried, and I'm still really self-conscious about my appearance. I hate my face, my hair, my shoulders. I'm 5'4" and 115 pounds, and I feel fat. Maybe it's just a teenage thing...whatever, thought I'd be honest. As much as I don't judge other people on looks, it's hard not to feel "ugly" it seems like.

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As much as I don't judge other people on looks, it's hard not to feel "ugly" it seems like.

We're an image conscious species, I think you'll find the most "beautiful" people often find themselves thinking they too need to change certain aspects of their appearance.

I think when it comes to our physical image it needs to be about health more than anything.

I think we have two extremes going on here in America. We have those that are starving themselves in order to be the skinniest they can be. But we also have many who are trying to make unhealthy obesity considered "normal".

I am naturally very "small boned", my family constantly accuses me of being too skinny, but if I were to add weight it would be very unhealthy. Everyone's body type is different. We need to educate ourselves as to what is best for our body type and lifestyle. Everyone's different, there is no diet that is safe for everyone.
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