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Old 12-21-2002, 03:06 AM   #76
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Dont know who to believe..the liberal FYMers or GW's demonstration of racial deversity.

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Text of President Bush's Kwanzaa Message
By The Associated Press
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Text of President Bush's Kwanzaa message:

I send greetings to those celebrating Kwanzaa.

Kwanzaa celebrates the traditional African values of unity, self-determination, collective work and responsibility, cooperative economics, purpose, creativity, and faith. From December 26th to January 1st, people of African descent gather to renew their commitment to these seven principles, known as Nguzo Saba, and give thanks for the blessings of family, community, and culture. Kwanzaa is also a time for Africans and African-Americans to honor their common heritage by participating in events based on early harvest gatherings called matunda ya kwanza, or first fruits.

As individuals and families join together during Kwanzaa, their joy enriches communities in the United States and across the globe. By uniting people of diverse backgrounds and beliefs, this holiday promotes mutual understanding and respect. These universal principles inspire us as we work together for a future of freedom, hope, and opportunity for all.

Laura joins me in sending our best wishes for a memorable Kwanzaa, and for peace, happiness, and success in the coming year.
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I think his Kwanzaa message is appropriate.

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Dont know who to believe..the liberal FYMers or GW's demonstration of racial deversity.

this is good.
also acknowledging the Muslim Hoilday of Ramadan a few weeks ago as well.

GW is quietly and effectively changing the perception of conseratives and America thru out the world.
Slowly but surely.

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GW is quietly and effectively changing the perception of conseratives and America thru out the world.
Slowly but surely.
yep, that is true
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GWB is a great man for what he says in the racial diversity ring. But didnt he help the Campaign along of a senetor that was for the confederate flag, and didnt he go to a only christian and non black school not to long ago. I have seen a few different things that have brought up questions about his activism. he says all the right things but it is two different things to say it and to go out and do it.
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But didnt he help the Campaign along of a senetor that was for the confederate flag, and didnt he go to a only christian and non black school not to long ago.
Yup...good old Bob Jones University--anti-Catholic and against "mixed" marriages, amongst other things. Of course, he played a Jesse Helms tactic; if you're losing in the polls, you court the bigot vote.

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that he did.
Unfournately being a politician its necessary to wade into some parts that have undesireable folks.
The majority of sensible Republicans did not favor GWs visit.


Incidently-after GW's visit inter-racial dating became acceptable at the university.
GWs visit help facilitate change.

GW went on to reach out to all ppl after this, building the most culturally diverse cabinet in history, w/o tooting his horn.

So if there are any mathimaticians here, I would encourage you to just "do the math"

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the math...

One bad thing- One good thing=Really doesnt act out againist Racism?
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Yup...good old Bob Jones University--anti-Catholic and against "mixed" marriages, amongst other things. Of course, he played a Jesse Helms tactic; if you're losing in the polls, you court the bigot vote.

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Melon you are reminding me of how truly angry at GW Iwas then. Mr. McCain was really hurt by these politics.

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With his Kwanzaa greetings, President Bush (news - web sites) is saluting the intellectual sibling of the Symbionese Liberation Army, killer of housewives and police. He is saluting the founder of United Slaves, who were such lunatics that they shot Panthers for not being sufficiently insane -- all with the FBI as their covert ally. It's as if David Duke invented a holiday called "Anglica," and the president of the United States issued a presidential proclamation honoring the synthetic holiday. People might well stand up and take notice if that happened.




KWANZAA: A HOLIDAY FROM THE FBI


By Ann Coulter

Trent Lott, call your office: Apparently some parts of American history can be sanitized and forgotten. Earlier this week, President George Bush issued a formal White House proclamation celebrating Kwanzaa.
Sounding like a "Saturday Night Live (news - Y! TV)" send-up, Bush praised the "seven principles" of Kwanzaa, "known as Nguzo Saba," and discussed the "early harvest gatherings called 'matunda ya kwanza,' or first fruits." He included the usual claptrap about how Kwanzaa celebrates "traditional African values" and "uniting people of diverse backgrounds and beliefs."
It is a fact that Kwanzaa was invented in 1966 by a black radical FBI (news - web sites) stooge, Ron Karenga, aka Dr. Maulana Karenga. Karenga was a founder of United Slaves, a violent nationalist rival to the Black Panthers and a dupe of the FBI.
In what was probably ultimately a foolish gamble, during the madness of the '60s the FBI encouraged the most extreme black nationalist organizations in order to discredit and split the left. The more preposterous the organization, the better. Karenga's United Slaves was perfect. In the annals of the American '60s, Karenga was the Father Gapon, stooge of the czarist police.
Despite modern perceptions that blend all the black activists of the '60s, the Black Panthers did not hate whites. They did not seek armed revolution. Those were the precepts of Karenga's United Slaves. United Slaves were proto-fascists, walking around in dashikis, blowing away Black Panthers and adopting invented "African" names. (That was a big help to the black community: How many boys named "Jamal" currently sit on death row?)
Whether Karenga was a willing dupe, or just a dupe, remains unclear. Curiously, in a 1995 interview with Ethnic NewsWatch, Karenga matter-of-factly explained that the forces out to get O.J. Simpson for the "framed" murder of two whites included: "the FBI, the CIA (news - web sites), the State Department, Interpol, the Chicago Police Department" and so on. (He further noted that "the evidence was not strong enough to prohibit or eliminate unreasonable doubt" -- an interesting standard of proof.) Karenga should know about FBI infiltration.
In the category of the-gentleman-doth-protest-too-much, back in the '70s, Karenga was quick to criticize rumors that black radicals were government-supported. When Nigerian newspapers claimed that some American black radicals were CIA operatives, Karenga leapt in to denounce the idea publicly, saying, "Africans must stop generalizing about the loyalties and motives of Afro-Americans, including the widespread suspicion of black Americans being CIA agents."
By now, there is no question that the FBI fueled the bloody rivalry between the Panthers and United Slaves. In one barbarous outburst, Karenga's United Slaves shot Black Panther Al "Bunchy" Carter on the UCLA campus. Karenga himself served time, a useful stepping-stone for his current position as a black studies professor at California State University at Long Beach.
Kwanzaa itself is a lunatic blend of schmaltzy '60s rhetoric, black racism and Marxism. Indeed, the seven "principles" of Kwanzaa praise collectivism in every possible arena of life -- economics, work, personality, even litter removal. ("Kuumba: Everyone should strive to improve the community and make it more beautiful.") It takes a village to raise a police snitch.
When Karenga was asked to distinguish Kawaida, the philosophy underlying Kwanzaa, from "classical Marxism," he essentially explained that under Kawaida, we also hate whites. While taking the "best of" -- I'm not making this up -- "early Chinese and Cuban socialism," Kawaida practitioners believe one's racial identity "determines life conditions, life chances and self-understanding." There's an inclusive philosophy for you.
Coincidentally, the seven principles of Kwanzaa are the very same seven principles of the Symbionese Liberation Army, another charming invention of the Least-Great Generation. In 1974, Patricia Hearst, kidnap victim-cum-SLA revolutionary, posed next to the banner of her alleged captors, a seven-headed cobra. Each snake head stood for one of the SLA's revolutionary principles: Umojo, Kujichagulia, Ujima, Ujamaa, Nia, Kuumba and Imani -- precisely the seven "principles" of Kwanzaa.
With his Kwanzaa greetings, President Bush (news - web sites) is saluting the intellectual sibling of the Symbionese Liberation Army, killer of housewives and police. He is saluting the founder of United Slaves, who were such lunatics that they shot Panthers for not being sufficiently insane -- all with the FBI as their covert ally. It's as if David Duke invented a holiday called "Anglica," and the president of the United States issued a presidential proclamation honoring the synthetic holiday. People might well stand up and take notice if that happened.
Kwanzaa was the result of a '60s psychosis grafted onto black community. Liberals have become so mesmerized by multicultural nonsense that they have forgotten the real history of Kwanzaa and United Slaves -- the violence, the Marxism, the insanity. Most absurdly, for leftists anyway, is that they have forgotten the FBI's tacit encouragement of this murderous black nationalist cult founded by the father of Kwanzaa.
Now the "holiday" concocted by an FBI dupe is honored in a presidential proclamation calling it a "holiday that promotes mutual understanding." A movement that started approximately 2,000 years before Kwanzaa leaps well beyond merely "promot(ing) mutual understanding" to say we are all equal before God. It is so inclusive, people get mad at it. That movement is also celebrated this week. But the Christian leaders at the forefront of the abolitionist and civil rights movements have been washed down the memory hole.
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Deep,

Your post above is quite "Lottish" ! I hope you are not planning on holding a position of power in the governement. This quote could come back to haunt you. I am sure you did not mean it to be an attack on an recognized African-American holiday.

Kwanza is a recognized holiday and is celebrated by almost all of the African-American students that I know. As a matter of fact, there are many children's books which teach and educate children about this holiday that are read and taught to educate students about the multi-cultural holdiays and celebrations this time of year.

For example, the students in my school have learned about Ramadan, Hanukkah, Christmas, Kwanza, and Festivus (HEHE).

In your haste to criticize the president, you really took a gigantic leap, one that could be construed as offensive to the many African-Americans who celebrate this holiday. I reread his statement, and I do not see anything praising the man you are referring to. As a matter of fact, President Clinton was quite into celebrating the holiday of Kwanza when he was in the White House so I guess he was celebrating the same man you were referring to as well.

FROM the CLINTON PRESIDENTIAL CENTER

Holidays in the White House

The Clinton Foundation invites you to attend Holidays in The White House. President and Senator Clinton welcomed the world to the White House year-round during the president's eight years in office. But no time was more special than the holidays. During the Clinton years there were events to celebrate Christmas, Hanukah, Ramaden and Kwanza.

Everyone who visits "Holidays in the White House" exhibit will receive a complimentary Former First Cat, Socks , holiday card.



I think you need to apologize for your implications about the president and all of those who celebrate the holiday!

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How I enjoy Ann Coulter's selective historicism (insert sarcasm)...

Coulter is probably correct on Kwanzaa's origins, but I doubt that people celebrate Kwanzaa for those reasons whatsoever. We merely forget Christianity's very oppressively autocratic history; but there is little reason to remember this all the time.

The point? History changes, and if *today* something is celebrated in good faith, then that is all that matters. Fuck the past...

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Your post above is quite "Lottish" ! I hope you are not planning on holding a position of power in the governement. This quote could come back to haunt you. I am sure you did not mean it to be an attack on an recognized African-American holiday.




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Everything in my post was from Ann Coulter.

I quoted in red because I found that part most vitriolic.


I enjoyed Ann on Politically Incorrect. One voice in 5 she is tolerable.

She is a darling of the right. I thought her attack on the President, was unjustified.

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*Bill Maher is a victim of the "word police" also.
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How I enjoy Ann Coulter's selective historicism (insert sarcasm)...

Coulter is probably correct on Kwanzaa's origins, but I doubt that people celebrate Kwanzaa for those reasons whatsoever. We merely forget Christianity's very oppressively autocratic history; but there is little reason to remember this all the time.

The point? History changes, and if *today* something is celebrated in good faith, then that is all that matters. Fuck the past...

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I agree with what you said.


It is interesting to me that,
Ann's hatred of black people is so powerful that she will attack a President that conservatives love.
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