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Old 12-15-2002, 05:14 PM   #61
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enough about Bush already
haha.

it would be interesting to see a worldwide poll ask

"who do you think is the most evil man in the world?"

a) saddam

b) dubya


it might not be as lopsided as many may think.
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haha.

it would be interesting to see a worldwide poll ask

"who do you think is the most evil man in the world?"

a) saddam

b) dubya


it might not be as lopsided as many may think.
True. Too bad it would be a battle between what one had done and what some think the other might do....
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Old 12-16-2002, 12:01 AM   #63
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haha.

it would be interesting to see a worldwide poll ask

"who do you think is the most evil man in the world?"

a) saddam

b) dubya


it might not be as lopsided as many may think.
my one Christmas wish is that perhaps one day I will wake up and ding dong well surprise us all w an original thought instead of the predictable reworked rubbish.

i think bear was justin in his previous life..
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Who's ding dong and whos Justin?
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bonoman, diamond has never made any sense to anyone anyway what with his sexywinking and what not.

nevertheless, diamond is still a good guy.

my point is valid diamond, and i believe a great deal of non-americans would agree.
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haha.

it would be interesting to see a worldwide poll ask

"who do you think is the most evil man in the world?"

a) saddam

b) dubya


it might not be as lopsided as many may think.
that doesn't mean "dubya" IS more evil than saddam.

If people would rather have saddam in charge of a country with the size/military backing like America.. good luck.
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haha, im laughing too, as you can see. cause, ya, bush is so much "better" than saddam in regards to militairy hahahahah aghhaahha

but you answered my question. so if that many people may think that about bush, what makes you so sure he is better?


now with the us north korea conflict escalating, maybe santa will also bring a nuclear winter! a nuclear christmas! weeee!!!!

when it comes to foreign policy the united states are the dunces of the class.

but the rest of the world should not fear... the states economic strength will not always be so strong.

look at the romans, they collapsed, so will the states one day. then maybe, just maybe, we all can start over again and actually aim at being the same.

ofcourse thats bullshit, and its never gonna happen in my lifetime, but its a lovely ideal, isnt it?
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look at the romans, they collapsed, so will the states one day. then maybe, just maybe, we all can start over again and actually aim at being the same.

ofcourse thats bullshit, and its never gonna happen in my lifetime, but its a lovely ideal, isnt it?
yeah that sounds great.
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I would agree with bear that somewhere in the future (a long, long time from now) the balance of powers in the world will change again

at some point it might change to make this world a better place
I don't think we're anywhere near that yet though
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in the meantime can everybody shut up and conform to the lovely truths espoused in this thread?


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When it comes to foreign policy, the USA is the biggest reason that Europe and other places around the world are not ruled by Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. Its USA Foreign Policy that stopped and resolved Europe's first wars since World War II, in Bosnia and Kosovo. Europe gets more of its oil from the middle east than the USA does, and it is the USA that has ensured that that flow of oil and relationship with certain countries is not disrupted and that the global price of oil is kept low which benefits the average consumer in Europe, the USA, and everywhere else on the planet. It is the USA that contributes the majority of the resources to NATO and international security around the world. It is the USA that has the largest economy, but also the most open economy to international trade on the planet which benefits and props up the world economy.

There are certainly a few dunces out there, but the USA is certainly not one of them as the facts show. Most countries in the long run tend to follow the USA's lead on most things so if you think the USA is still a dunce despite the evidence to the contrary, what does that make Europe and Canada?

The last thing people in Europe, Canada, or Japan want to see is a USA economic collapse. Given the interdependent economic relationship with the USA, an economic collapse in the USA would lead to even greater hardship economically in Canada, Europe, and Japan. US consumers buy over 1 Trillion dollars in goods and services from Canada, Europe, and Japan every year. If that substantially were to decline or get cut off, the economic damage to Canada, Europe, and Japan would be massive.

A bit strange to wish for another country to decline economically. No one except for Al Quada would benefit from such a decline. I love it when Canada, Europe and Japan do well economically, because US exports to those countries always increase when the economy is good there.
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The last thing people in Europe, Canada, or Japan want to see is a USA economic collapse. Given the interdependent economic relationship with the USA, an economic collapse in the USA would lead to even greater hardship economically in Canada, Europe, and Japan. US consumers buy over 1 Trillion dollars in goods and services from Canada, Europe, and Japan every year. If that substantially were to decline or get cut off, the economic damage to Canada, Europe, and Japan would be massive.

A bit strange to wish for another country to decline economically. No one except for Al Quada would benefit from such a decline. I love it when Canada, Europe and Japan do well economically, because US exports to those countries always increase when the economy is good there.
Well said Sting!
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Sting, i totally agree with you about the not wanting USA to have a bad economy. Canada lives off the exports to the states! When yous go into resision we are close to follow.

The one thing i have a bit of a problem with is your quickness to bring up world war 1/2. What does the USA forigien policy of GWB have to do with things that happened 50-90 years ago? Give some examples of things that are more updated. Thats like comparing an economy from half a decade ago. Stay in the time period that you and others have been alive, because what happened then has nothing to do with whats going on now.
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The one thing i have a bit of a problem with is your quickness to bring up world war 1/2. What does the USA forigien policy of GWB have to do with things that happened 50-90 years ago? Give some examples of things that are more updated. Thats like comparing an economy from half a decade ago. Stay in the time period that you and others have been alive, because what happened then has nothing to do with whats going on now.
It would be hard to ignore the connection. The massive build-up in the U.S. military, especially during WWII, propelled the U.S. to superpower status. The role the U.S. plays today directly stems from the role the U.S. played 50 years ago.

The U.S. role as superpower was amplified by the collapse of the Soviet Union. Today, no other country can conduct military campaigns on multiple fronts.
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Well, when someone makes general comments about the USA and does not specifically state the current presidential administration, I can go back as far as I need to in history to make my point. World War I and World War II are relevant in many ways to the global situation we see around the world. One could say the middle east is still in turmoil because of the break up of the Ottoman Empire. The events that took place after that break up still heavily influence the entire middle east today. I go could on and on about events in Europe as well. World War II is NOT ancient history! There are many American service men that stormed the beaches of Normandy back in 1944 that are alive and well today. So as you can see, World War I and II are still very relevant today.

But if you just looking for examples from say the 1990s on, I did list many. But you cannot not underrate the significance of World WAR II, the Marshall Plan and the Cold War and their massive influence on the world we live in today.
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