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Old 12-12-2002, 04:19 PM   #16
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Nooooo....Lilly
What Im saying is that, is that GW is more open-minded then the liberal Media give him credit for.
He dosnt appoint a bunch of look-a likes that mirror him..

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I think that is an insult to Colin and Condi Rice.

It's laughable when liberals try and dictate what they think ppl of color should think/act and feel..

I know most indepenpent and intellegent ppl get aggitated when liberals attempt to do their thinking for them..


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How about this for a novel idea.....

Give the jobs to the MOST qualified person????

Half of the problem with the CIA and FBI as detailed in "Breakdown" by Bill Gertz is that under Clinton people were promoted because of the color of their skin and their gender. Maybe if half of the people who were pushed out, overstepped, ect....Sept. 11th might not have happened. Instead, people who did their jobs left.

And speaking of Racism........Affirmative Action is a RACIST policy.

Lets start by getting rid of this crappy policy, and hire the most qualified people. Enough of this making certain we have a cross section of American public. I do not care what color someone is, as long as they do their job, do it to the standards I expect of them, and have earned it.


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How about this for a novel idea.....

Give the jobs to the MOST qualified person????

Half of the problem with the CIA and FBI as detailed in "Breakdown" by Bill Gertz is that under Clinton people were promoted because of the color of their skin and their gender. Maybe if half of the people who were pushed out, overstepped, ect....Sept. 11th might not have happened. Instead, people who did their jobs left.

And speaking of Racism........Affirmative Action is a RACIST policy.

Lets start by getting rid of this crappy policy, and hire the most qualified people. Enough of this making certain we have a cross section of American public. I do not care what color someone is, as long as they do their job, do it to the standards I expect of them, and have earned it.


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I totally agree.

And melon, I agree with what you're saying, too.

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How about this for a novel idea.....

Give the jobs to the MOST qualified person????

Half of the problem with the CIA and FBI as detailed in "Breakdown" by Bill Gertz is that under Clinton people were promoted because of the color of their skin and their gender. Maybe if half of the people who were pushed out, overstepped, ect....Sept. 11th might not have happened. Instead, people who did their jobs left.

And speaking of Racism........Affirmative Action is a RACIST policy.

Lets start by getting rid of this crappy policy, and hire the most qualified people. Enough of this making certain we have a cross section of American public. I do not care what color someone is, as long as they do their job, do it to the standards I expect of them, and have earned it.


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great post dread...I totally agree.
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good fucking point.

you will see, by the end of the 7th year (no way Gore has a chance) we wil lbe indicting, and scandalizing the Republicans in office now.

By the way Diamond, GWB is simply a puppet (but you know that right?)

The only thing he could run, is around the back of the house to get some more BBQ...
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I agree with Dreadsox (also on the part about affirmative action). The thing is, if jobs are indeed always given to the most qualified people, then why is it that most of those jobs in the higher hierarchies are held by white men? Are they naturally better qualified for these kinds of jobs? Or is it because people of other (ethnic) groups just need some time to keep up and balance the equation, or is something else going on?
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Condi Rice is better quailfied for the job than that whitey B. Showcroft from the previous administration.
Affirm that..

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I cant stand when people complain about not enough races being in a certain job, cabinet, house whatever. Did anyone ever think that we voted these people in? Which race gets voted in the most? White. Why because they run more. Did anyone ever think that it doesnt matter if what color they are. Even if they are white?

My brother has been trying to get into the firefighting here. For 4 years now he has tried. He has all the crudentials and even has things alot of others dont. But because he is white, 23-26, and male he has the worst chance of getting in. Give me a fucking break here people. They wont take the most qualitfied person. If its me in a burning building i want some who can drag me out or climb 90 flights of stairs.

If Rice is qualified then who cares if she white black gay or male? Do it not depend on her qualifications? I dont want a black leader for the simple fact he's black. I want a leader who is great!

Diamond i dont know what you have againist everything liberal but it seems you need a little help man. Do you obsess over people with differing opinion all day or only here.
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If Rice is qualified then who cares if she white black gay or male? Do it not depend on her qualifications? I dont want a black leader for the simple fact he's black. I want a leader who is great!

Diamond i dont know what you have againist everything liberal but it seems you need a little help man. Do you obsess over people with differing opinion all day or only here.
Actually I dont have anything against liberals, only some of their policies..one such policy that is detering your brother from a job he wants..

My post about Condi was satire but you missed the point, Mr. bonofellow..

George Bush picked her because she was the most qualified..period.
Liberals would argue a different point.

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I agree with Dreadsox (also on the part about affirmative action). The thing is, if jobs are indeed always given to the most qualified people, then why is it that most of those jobs in the higher hierarchies are held by white men? Are they naturally better qualified for these kinds of jobs? Or is it because people of other (ethnic) groups just need some time to keep up and balance the equation, or is something else going on?
Indeed.
Is it really because the disadvantages begin way before your working life commences?
Here, the differential treatment does seem to lean more in favour of the other side of the argument. It is not equality to have quotas in employment based on racial background.
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Can youuuuuu say-
Chrstine Todd Whitman?

Yeah, we women can be proud of Christine Todd Whitman, who is little more than a figurehead at the EPA and has allowed some of the most embarrassing environmental policy in recent history to pass through without so much as a whimper. She's right up there on my list of role models.

(Condi Rice, okay, I'll give you that one. There was a great cover story about her in Newsweek this week. She's a cool gal.)

But just because a woman (or a black or a Hispanic or a gay person) happens to hold an office of high power or visibility doesn't mean that women or blacks or (whatever) should have to get all worked up about it. I'm less than thrilled with some female government officials and I wouldn't mind if they were replaced by men who I think are more intelligent or progressive or hardworking. Christine Todd Whitman's appointment to head of the EPA means little if anything to me because she's doing a lousy job.
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Condoleza Rice and Christine Todd Whitman are only 2 among how many?
Isn't Elaine Chao the current Secretary of Labor? I thought she was female, but I may be mistaken.

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Here's the way it works, folks:

A "liberal" Democratic administration can appoint whoever the hell they want to their staff, case closed.

A "conservative" Republican administration is held to a different standard to the point that people practically demand an exact proportion of population diversity or else it is offensive. And beyond that, all of these people on the administration MUST have views that are LIBERAL! Yes, Christin Todd Whitman's policies closely mirror those of President Bush; well, she serves on HIS cabinet, not Ted Kennedy's!

Give it a rest. Every attempt has been made by this administration to represent the diverse population of the U.S., and I think they did a pretty damn good of it and appointed some VERY qualified people at the same time.

I disagree with President Bush's choice to visit Bob Jones University, but it is a stretch to say that he only became President because of this despicable action.

President Bush has rebuked Senator Lott for his pro-Dixiecrat/Thurmond remarks. I do not think Senator Lott should be Majority Leader.

Bush's Administration also recently weighed in on a Supreme Court case involving the Ku Klux Klan and their "right" to burn crosses in order to express racial hatred. The case involved a Virginia state law banning cross burning. President Bush's administration, via Solicitor General Ted Olsen, supports the Virginia law due to the racial hatred that cross burning expresses.

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what melon said.
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