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Old 04-03-2008, 05:55 PM   #76
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He was a soilder first, an activist second.
Do you know if he would have agreed with that assessment, though?

I would think given today's climate for homosexuals, there's a good chance he would have identified himself as a homosexual before he identified himself as a soldier.
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of everything you posted, this makes the least amount of sense.

how does it matter how he died? what if he died from a heart attack while in Iraq? or what if he died freeing 5 captive americans and leading a blazing gun battle out of an Iraqi prison, one wounded soldier slung over his shoulder, and killed 15 insurgents before taking several rounds to the chest? if that happened, would we get to know not only if he was gay, but if he were more top or bottom?

the point cannot be altered. this was a gay man. people knew he was gay. he worked vigorously to end the DADT policy. and he died in the service of his country. if an obituary is going to get into his life and personality, then this detail about his life, something that he obviously thought was pretty important, should be mentioned. and it's omission is what is homophobic.

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He was a soilder first, an activist second.

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How does this matter?
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How does this matter?
My thought is if he was so disgusted with the policy he would have quit the military as a conscientious objector.

That he served even though he didn't like the policy and was fighting to overturn it makes him a solider first and an activist second, which is why I admired him.


His job was harder because of the circumstance he was in surely, but that does not supercede the fact he could of quit once the military implemented DADT.

He chose to be a soilder first and actvist 2nd, no matter how you slice it and we should be should be thankful as his countrymen for his service, end of story.

No need to start a pecking over KIA because of a soilder's conflict with certain military policies-when they die in the line of service.

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Wow, someone just doesn't know his facts...
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My thought is if he was so disgusted with the policy he would have quit the military as a conscientious objector.

That he served even though he didn't like the policy and was fighting to overturn it makes him a solider first and an activist second, which is why I admired him.


His job was harder because of the circumstance he was in surely, but that does not supercede the fact he could of quit once the military implemented DADT.

He chose to be a soilder first and actvist 2nd, no matter how you slice it and we should be should be thankful as his countrymen for his service, end of story.

No need to start a pecking over KIA because of a soilder's conflict with certain military policies-when they die in the line of service.

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i think for him, being a soldier *was* being an activist.
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i think for him, being a soldier *was* being an activist.
That's fine, but it got him killed, which is heart wrenching.


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That's fine, but it got him killed, which is heart wrenching.


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i have no idea what you mean by this.
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I think he could have done more outside of the military (if it's meant to be) and still be alive today.

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I think he could have done more outside of the military (if it's meant to be) and still be alive today.

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do you have any idea whatsoever how hurtful your comments are?
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I think he could have done more outside of the military (if it's meant to be) and still be alive today.

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I suppose diamond is accepting the notion of these lives in Iraq being lost in vain?
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I suppose diamond is accepting the notion of these lives in Iraq being lost in vain?
I'm looking at this soilder's desires objectively and pragmatically and how he could have been more successful of what he felt his life's calling was.

In my view being an "interloper" (archaic meaning please) in the service wasn't his best or most effective move for his cause -that's all.

I love him for being a soilder first and foremost and appreciate his sacrifice.

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I'm looking at this soilder's desires objectively and pragmatically and how he could have been more successful of what he felt his life's calling was.

He felt his life calling was to be a soldier, but you(and so many others) obviously don't want him there, so now he should change his "calling"? Why, your bigotry? Please.

There's nothing objective or pragmatic about your stance, so don't even try to pass it off as that...
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