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Old 04-02-2008, 02:14 PM   #61
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Martha dear you know that as a person in real life I have a zest for love, understanding and clarity.

I here to offer those 3 items.

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i'm not seeing much love, nor understanding, and not even a bit of clarity.

but keep at it, big guy. i know you'll get there soon.



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Old 04-02-2008, 02:17 PM   #62
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I do wonder, diamond, why you point out that in real life you have ___ and ___ and ___, all three positive qualities - perhaps you realize that this is not at all how you come across on the forums? I know if it were me, I'd want people to think well of me everywhere, and the way you present yourself here really leaves a lot to be desired and that's putting it politely. Given that most people here will never have a chance to meet you in person, much well know you well in person, I'd think you'd want them to get to see these qualities online so that they don't come to the wrong conclusion about you, your behaviour, your views, your intelligence or your tolerance for others.
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Martina-

It's because I prefer clarity to agreement and I can go toe to toe on this issue and patiently pick apart agruments, however as you have suggested, I can or may potentailly come across looking as insensitive, shortsighted and/or being misinterpreted.

Instead of engaging, I will choose to stand down on this one. I think I made a few valid points anyway. Life wasn't meant to split hairs over issues that one day will sort themselves out. We're put on earth to help eachother up and love one another, first and furmost, not take one another out in a public fourm.

So, Melon you're off the hook on this one; and the first person that suggests that I'm chickening out bespeaks their own character.

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It's because I prefer clarity to agreement and I can go toe to toe on this issue and patiently pick apart agruments,
Do you have to duck when going through doorways?

I have yet to see you "pick apart" anyone's argument, but I have seen you casually dismiss arguments without imbuing much clarity in the process, while at the same time calling into question the character of those who disagree with you.

If you really prefer clarity to agreement, it might be time to start imparting some. Otherwise it's just a nice slogan without anything to back it up.

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We're put on earth to help eachother up and love one another, first and furmost, not take one another out in a public fourm.

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and the first person that suggests that I'm chickening out bespeaks their own character.
You might want to take your own advice there, buddy.
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umm,

i detect hostility coming from the poster above,

regardless-

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I'm glad we got one thing established, MLK is not on record supporting gay rights, notwithstanding the gay lobby has tried to use him for that.
I don't think that most gay rights supporters would argue he was "on record" supporting gay rights. I personally would not presume to know which side he'd be on. I do think most gay rights supporters would argue that their struggle is similar to that of African American civil rights regardless of whether MLK would agree with that assessment or not.

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With your question maycocksean, I'm saying it couldn't have hurt if MLK had made definitive public statements favoring homosexuality, my point is he didn't and it shows already that all people are people and all people think for themselves this is why in their totality African Americans do not support gay rights even though the leaders in their polictical party today do (based on the sheer numbers they align themselves with). People here have called those independent minded African Americans (the majority of them) homophobes-that I think maybe could offend most African Americans, but I could be all wet.
I think the problem here is the idea that we're all lumped into one community and we have these "leaders." These so-called leaders are more often than not self-appointed (or so designated by white folks). Tell me what do white Americans in THEIR totality support in terms of gay rights. What about the white leaders--do they represent the white community?

People would call African Americans who don't support gay rights homophobes because of their views not because of their race and African Americans might be offended because no one likes to be called a homophobe. It has nothing to do with race.
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umm,

i detect hostility coming from the poster above,

regardless-

thank u diemure
Well, there's no hostility here, my friend. And I think you really should consider Anitram's observations. It makes it harder for people to take you seriously when you decide to "get serious" as you did in the demon possession thread.
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umm,

i detect hostility coming from the poster above,

regardless-

thank u diemure


And I detect someone resorting to childish antics instead of trying to bring clarity to the issue. But I'm sure you'd like to think you're taking the high road here.
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are Sexual Tongan Americans banned from the US Armed forces, and did this hypothetical soldier actively work to change this policy?
That's the point diamond, why can't you see that? That's why it's a thread.
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Fisrt off I want to thank the tone of the recent posts of Sean, Martina (Anitram) and Gina.

You see if I answer the above posts my words can or may be twisted here-so I will make this brief.

I will say that "asexuality" is an actual definitive medical/psycological condition of some people's sexual orientation or practice/preference.

http://www.answers.com/topic/asexuality
I threw the Togan (Polyonesian) angle in as an aside.

That said if this were a Togan with an asexual preference and he stumbled onto an IED-there probably wouldn't be a story here.

There wouldn't be "he died to advance his cause" claiming he saved other soilders lives-as the mindset here is and the story has been twisted here.

The Togan would have died honorably as Maj. Alan G. Rogers and both died accidently altough honoarably for their country.

I'm a stickler for historical accuracy of events-not a twisted version from someone's angle who is out to advance their cause.

If Major Rogers *knowingly* jumped on a live gernade saving 2 straight soldiers who he knew were straight then I think mentioning his sexual preference would have been merited.

So in the end the Post got the story right.

It's sad when any soilder gives his life for the advancement of freedom despite their sexual preference and or orientation.

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It's sad when any soilder gives his life for the advancement of freedom despite their sexual preference and or orientation.
Agreed. Especially when he doesn't have the full freedoms his fellow Americans have.
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If Major Rogers *knowingly* jumped on a live gernade saving 2 straight soldiers who he knew were straight then I think mentioning his sexual preference would have been merited.



of everything you posted, this makes the least amount of sense.

how does it matter how he died? what if he died from a heart attack while in Iraq? or what if he died freeing 5 captive americans and leading a blazing gun battle out of an Iraqi prison, one wounded soldier slung over his shoulder, and killed 15 insurgents before taking several rounds to the chest? if that happened, would we get to know not only if he was gay, but if he were more top or bottom?

the point cannot be altered. this was a gay man. people knew he was gay. he worked vigorously to end the DADT policy. and he died in the service of his country. if an obituary is going to get into his life and personality, then this detail about his life, something that he obviously thought was pretty important, should be mentioned. and it's omission is what is homophobic.
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He was a soilder first, an activist second.

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I'm a stickler for historical accuracy of events-not a twisted version from someone's angle who is out to advance their cause.

Says the man that tried to make MLK a conservative by today's standards...

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