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Old 04-01-2008, 10:14 PM   #31
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This is getting a bit ridiculous...you're the one who dragged out the topic of "what would MLK have thought about all this" with your "I think if MLK were alive today he wouldn't support the gay movement, nor abortion on demand and backhand Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and call them out for being poverty pimps that they are, dividing America and rebuke them for attempting to pervert his cause and mission" then on through all this stuff about his niece. Who cares what King might or might not have thought about gay people at the time, or what he might think if still alive today? MLK was a great leader in the fight against racial segregation, not an infallible all-purpose dowser's wand for The Right Answer on any and every social justice issue that might move to the fore at some particular point in time. And even if he were that, he's dead now and has been for 40 years. No one should need to know his precise stance on whatever topic in order to form--and defend--a stance of their own.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_Rustin

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Bayard Rustin (March 17, 1912 – August 24, 1987) was an American civil rights activist, important largely behind the scenes in the civil rights movement of the 1960s and earlier, and principal organizer of the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. He counseled Martin Luther King, Jr. on the techniques of nonviolent resistance. Rustin was openly gay and advocated on behalf of gay and lesbian causes in the latter part of his career.

A year before his death in 1987, Rustin said: "The barometer of where one is on human rights questions is no longer the black community, it's the gay community. Because it is the community which is most easily mistreated."
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I think if MLK were alive today he wouldn't support the gay movement,


funny, his wife does.

and finishing the thread, i see this has been mentioned. and the response was expectedly nonsensical.
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Did they all get together and have an election or something?

Yes. We met last week.

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Diamond,

What's your take on Rev. King's views of marital faithfulness?

Just sayin. . .

Nobody's perfect.
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funny, his wife does.

and finishing the thread, i see this has been mentioned. and the response was expectedly nonsensical.
his wife didn't when he was alive, and his wife wasn't an ordained minister unlike his neice who is now, seems to be better versed in theology than corretta and which i notice you keep glossing over these unfomfortable facts -common for most libreals.

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What's your take on Rev. King's views of marital faithfulness?

Just sayin. . .

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i think abernathy was a chump for writing what he did.

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his wife didn't when he was alive, and his wife wasn't an ordained minister unlike his neice who is now, seems to be better versed in theology than corretta and which i notice you keep glossing over these unfomfortable facts -common for most libreals.

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it was 1968, sweet pea.

i don't see what on earth one's being an ordained minister or not has to do with anything, unless you are saying that Coretta Scott King might agree that the religious tend to be bigots.
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MLK was a great leader in the fight against racial segregation, not an infallible all-purpose dowser's wand for The Right Answer on any and every social justice issue...
exactly my point.

some have took it upon themselves to mix race/sexuality/abortion and all lumped them into a triology, and attempt to lumped them into all Dr King's mission, and I'm calling them on it.

Yes Melon and I'm glad Dr King had a gay friend and he has his interpretation of how he wished or hoped Dr King would come out in favor of the gay lobby today. Dr. King never did, altho some have tried to claim he did, he did not, had he I'm sure most African Americans would be in favor of your views, and most African Americans aren't in favor of gay rights.

Now if Dr King had or even alluded to, it would be a slam dunk for you guys. Cheer up though you still have Jesse and Al our your side-great company I might add.

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some have took it upon themselves to mix race/sexuality/abortion and all lumped them into a triology, and attempt to lumped them into all Dr King's mission, and I'm calling them on it.

hello ... pot? this is the kettle calling. what's that color again?



[q]most African Americans aren't in favor of gay rights.[/q]

neither are most Mormons.

except you'll find that African-American homophobia comes from a place that's beyond a book read with magic glasses.
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i don't see what on earth one's being an ordained minister or not has to do with anything, unless you are saying that Coretta Scott King might agree that the religious tend to be bigots.
of course you don't; most agnostic gay hunks wouldn't.

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hello ... pot? this is the kettle calling. what's that color again?



[q]most African Americans aren't in favor of gay rights.[/q]

neither are most Mormons.

except you'll find that African-American homophobia comes from a place that's beyond a book read with magic glasses.
your religious ignorance is reaching new heights this evening.

How you equate sexual orientation to religious conviction is bizzare.

The only one who is phobic is you, futurmore the book you refer to indirectly and arrogantly (The Book of Mormon) is silent about Homosexuality. The Bible on the other hand is not; I think you'd be and have been more comfortable around LDS believers than some of your beau's relatives from the So Baptist Wing of Christianity.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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Only to a few, weighing the entire populus of the outside world vs a few of the more esoteric of FYM.




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