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Old 02-28-2007, 02:23 PM   #1
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If congress were to change policy to allow gay's and lesbians in the military, do you think there would be an increase in military sign ups?

I am in support of letting them serve.
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I'm not understanding the question. Are you asking if homosexuals were allowed be open in the military would sign up increase?

There may be a slight change in sign up, there may be some homosexuals that won't serve unless they can be open, but for the most part I would think most who want to serve already do or will.
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Old 02-28-2007, 03:01 PM   #3
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Thats what I mean, would there be an increase in military sign ups if homosexuals were allowed to join with the knowledge that they are gay?

Cause I am behind letting them serve.
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Cause I am behind letting them serve.
Well if they are good enough to serve, they deserve the right to get married too.
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Old 02-28-2007, 03:31 PM   #5
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Well if they are good enough to serve, they deserve the right to get married too.
And I agree. But I know private organizations like the church wont allow it, but I think the states should.
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If the military were to do away with their "don't ask, don't tell" policy and allow gays to be openly gay, then you would simply see less straight people in the military. As a matter of fact, you probably would see them staying away in droves. Now, would this be balanced by gays signing up in droves? More than likely not. As a result, our military would be much smaller which leads me to believe that Uncle Sam might not like that.
Pretty much, I don't see the US changing their policy.
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I don't see a "staying away in droves", some would stay away, but I think there would be a rise in hazing.
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well, the US military is so hurting to meet it's recruitment goals that they've got to do something.

"don't ask, don't tell" has greatly harmed the US when it comes to intelligence -- particularly linguists who have been fluent in Arabic and Farsi who have been discharged for being gay -- and it makes you wonder how Cheney & Co. can say that we're in an apocalyptic battle against a nihilistic enemy, but we're still better off without any fags in the foxhole.
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[q]Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Revisited
Injured Iraqi Vet Joins New Fight to End Ban on Openly Gay Service Members

By JAKE TAPPER
Feb. 28, 2007 — - The first U.S. Marine seriously wounded in Iraq, Staff Sgt. Eric Alva, lost his leg when he stepped on a land mine, but today he and his prosthetic leg will march right into one of the most contentious battles in American politics.

Alva will stand with Rep. Marty Meehan, D-Mass., as a bipartisan group of Congress members introduces legislation to overturn the ban on openly gay and lesbian troops serving in the military.

Alva says that losing his leg forced him out of the closet.

"It made me realize everything that I had to actually speak up for," Alva said to ABC News in an exclusive TV interview, "basically the rights and privileges of what I as an individual have earned in this country."

He imagines conversations with the political opponents he knows he will now face.

"'OK buddy,'" he said, "'you pick up a gun and you go fight in Iraq or Afghanistan for a while, then you could come back and we can have a talk because I've actually sacrificed, I've actually done duty and served in this country for your rights and freedom.'"

The Pentagon has long maintained that the ban is necessary for unit cohesion.

"The bottom line for the military is, 'Is this a policy change that's going to help promote combat effectiveness?'" said retired Lt. Col. Robert "Bob" Maginnis. "I see no evidence of that."

Alva hopes that he can change minds by arguing the ban is simply unfair to gays and lesbian service members who are already serving their nation honorably, not to mention Americans who want to serve.

He and his partner will never be able to live under the same rules and regulations applied to a husband and wife, for instance.

But increasingly, advocates for lifting the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" compromise that President Clinton signed into law in 1993 argue that the ban on gays and lesbians serving openly is a national security issue.

The military is stretched thin, the argument goes, and the unit cohesion commanders argue is threatened with the presence of "out" soldiers and Marines pales in comparison with the loss of specialists.

Data released today by the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, an advocacy group that supports lifting the ban, suggests that the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" ban is disproportionately affecting troops in key specialties.

Of 742 such dismissals in fiscal year 2005, the highest number than in any category -- 49 -- were medical personnel. An additional 40 were law enforcement officers, along with 14 intelligence officers, 35 infantrymen, and seven nuclear, biological and chemical warfare specialists.

This generally squares with the Government Accountability Office's 2004 study, which found that of the 9,488 service members who at that point had been discharged from the military for gay and lesbian conduct since 1993, approximately 757 -- or 8 percent -- "held critical occupations," meaning the kinds of jobs for which the Pentagon offers selective reenlistment bonuses.

That number included 322 with "skills in an important language such as Arabic, Farsi or Korean."

Maginnis says that the military has "come to the conclusion that if we embrace homosexuality openly in the military than that has far more of a detrimental impact than will keeping someone just because they happen to have a critical skill."[/q]
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to be honest with you, i'm not saying EVERYONE is like this, but it was when i was in the military i saw the most overt homophobia and sexism being practiced, joked about, and even encouraged. again, i'm not saying that everyone in the military is this way, that was just what i saw in my own regiment. that being said...i'm not so sure if the military would be so welcoming and hospitable to openly gay soldiers.
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i saw the most overt homophobia and sexism being practiced, joked about, and even encouraged.
That's just sad to hear...
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..i'm not so sure if the military would be so welcoming and hospitable to openly gay soldiers.


i take your point, but gay soldiers are serving, right now, even in infantry units.

my bigger concern is the conclusion that we need to kick out linguists because they're gay.

freaking linguists. who speak Arabic.
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i take your point, but gay soldiers are serving, right now, even in infantry units.
Oh I know...for a friend of mine, the hazing was so much that he left. I guess somebody found out. It is really absurd when he told me what he went though.

I agree with you about the linguists. That is absolutely ridiculous. It is obvious where their priorities lie.
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It's terrible that they kicked the linguists out just because they were gay. They need those linguists.
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i take your point, but gay soldiers are serving, right now, even in infantry units.

my bigger concern is the conclusion that we need to kick out linguists because they're gay.

freaking linguists. who speak Arabic.
The "because they're gay" is just an excuse...I'm sure Bush figures anyone who's fluent in Arabic must be a terrorist.
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