MrPryck2U said:For the record: Hippies aren't anti-American. They are pro-peace. And we all know there's nothing wrong with peace.
I don't like hippies (my personal opinion) There peaceful until some one comes after their pot. heheh
MrPryck2U said:For the record: Hippies aren't anti-American. They are pro-peace. And we all know there's nothing wrong with peace.
I think Irvine and MrsS have already answered this by pointing out that the analogy is false; the logical analogy would be forcing straight women to do these things with lesbians, which again, I haven't seen widespread evidence of straight female revulsion towards. Furthermore, I don't see expecting a female soldier to willingly huddle with a male soldier in order to stave off hypothermia as 'sexual harassment'; sexual harassment would be if the male soldier reacted to the situation by groping her or dropping a string of vulgar come-ons. And Irvine already explained the reason for having separate showers for men and women--it's simply a continutation of basic gender socialization practices in our society which people of both sexes have observed from childhood; a question of what's perceived as an appropriate audience for exposing one's nakedness. A member of the Shuri, Mursi or Me'en peoples of Ethiopia, who customarily wear no clothing at all, might see this as bizarre, but that's OK; we're not the Shuri, Mursi or Me'en so there's no logical need to change that particular custom, as it's not a major issue to supply separate barracks and showers for male and female servicepeople. Gay men and lesbians, on the other hand, have spent their lives sharing the bathroom, locker room, dorm bunks etc. with fully or partially naked members of their own sex, so there's no titillating shock factor provoked by sense of 'inappropriateness' there.AEON said:How is it that forcing a heterosexual male to cuddle and shower with a homosexual male is not considered sexual harassment, when it would be considered sexual harassment if we forced a woman to do these things with a heterosexual man? That is the basis of my female/homosexual male comparison.
Justin24 said:Do you believe Aeon has every right to his opinion and belief? Do you not like him now because of it?
Justin24 said:Do you believe Aeon has every right to his opinion and belief? Do you not like him now because of it?
Justin24 said:I just think that he is entitled to his beliefs and he should not be hounded like the hounds of baskerville.
Justin24 said:
I am still in favor but I just think that he is entitled to his beliefs and he should not be hounded like the hounds of baskerville.
MrPryck2U said:Gee, thanks for stating the obvious. Yes, last time I checked, we're all entitled to state our beliefs.
Don't hurt your crotch straddling the fence.
Who came up with don't ask, don't tell anyway? Was it Clinton?
Again, no need to get vulgar about it.MrPryck2U said:Gee, thanks for stating the obvious. Yes, last time I checked, we're all entitled to state our beliefs.
Don't hurt your crotch straddling the fence.
yolland said:That was exactly the argument often made in the 19th century for why women don't belong in the workplace: both men and women would be rendered incompetent by being continuously sexually distracted, thus the workplace would be 'degraded' and its efficient functioning made impossible. Instead, it turns out that men and women are eminently capable of working together in all kinds of arenas without transforming into incompetent libidinal beasts.
MrPryck2U said:Who came up with don't ask, don't tell anyway? Was it Clinton?
AEON said:I was against the "don't ask, don't tell policy" then, and I am still against it. I don't want it "lifted" so that gays can serve openly - I don't want it in place at all because of the points I have already made.
martha said:
I was watching Perry Mason while eating lunch, and an ad came on for the Army. I thought of a perfect solution: Have a crawl under recruiting ads stating something to this effect: Straights only need apply.
AEON said:
I was against the "don't ask, don't tell policy" then, and I am still against it. I don't want it "lifted" so that gays can serve openly - I don't want it in place at all because of the points I have already made.
Irvine511 said:
think about it.
huddling Get it right.BonoVoxSupastar said:cuddling
BonoVoxSupastar said:god decides to do some smiting
Irvine511 said:oh, and for the record, i like AEON. i think he's got a sense of humor and i admire the willingness to take an unpopular stand on social issues, and it's usually done with good cheer.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Might as well make it 'Straight Male Christians Only' that way AEON can shower in peace and we won't have any terrorist in our army.
AEON said:I enjoy discussing what would make something "Ideal" instead of ..."fair."
AEON said:
I tend to seperate ideas from people. I am always searching for the "perfect" system or organization. While I am not a perfectionist, when it comes to theories - I enjoy discussing what would make something "Ideal" instead of "workable"or "fair."
AEON said:
Anyway, I'm off to drill for the weekend.
BonoVoxSupastar said:Some guy worried about sexual tension isn't the ideal soldier in my mind. Any person who doesn't know the time and place, isn't ideal. Period.