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Old 03-02-2007, 10:26 AM   #151
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There are times "in the field" where it is so cold that you have to huddle with your battle buddy in order to stay warm. Forcing a heterosexual to huddle closely to a homosexual is a form of sexual harassment.

okay, "fuck you" was my original response.

but i'll just let this one lie. it's impossible to take you seriously, and i'm sorry about that. i wish we could have a serious discussion about this topic with someone who is currently serving, but statements like this make it impossible.
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Somebody should start a new thread about women in the military because this thread has gone off the topic of don't ask, don't tell.
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Old 03-02-2007, 10:30 AM   #153
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Irvine, haven't you learned you can't say that?

You're smarter than that.
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Old 03-02-2007, 10:30 AM   #154
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Frankly it doesn't deserve another thread.
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Old 03-02-2007, 10:30 AM   #155
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Irvine, haven't you learned you can't say that?

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i edited.
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Irvine, I liked your original post better.
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I specifically stated that because women are generally weaker than men it could present problems; problems such as the ones AEON has alluded to for infantry roles (not being able to perform at the same physical level and compromising the overall effectiveness of the group).

In pointing out the false equivalence that AEON had drawn between a non-issue (gays) and an actual issue with arguments for and against (women in the military) you pressed the point.

I then stated that I acknowledge that there are some women who could meet those standards (and it would be a smaller minority than the proportion of men that could) and in those cases it could be alright - but that still leaves questions of vulnerability to sexual harrasment and abuse, maintaining the esprit de corps etc.

My position is one of consistent standards and that there are at least some valid reasons against it.
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Trust me, I can understand your anger. I would've told the guy the same thing a few pages ago, but he's just not worth it. You've got to take the high road.
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He got upset and he had every right to get upset.

I think we should leave this as is, for one it points out perhaps that those who think in certain ways about gay people also think in certain ways about women. Arguments aside about physical strength, it's the same sorts of mindsets that allow for certain beliefs.
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i wonder why straight white men won't allow sexuality to be an issue in the way that they've (generally) allowed race to become not-an-issue.

seriously, what's the hang up?

is it still the whole dick-in-the-butt thing?
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With all do respect, it's not all straight WHITE men. Homophobia comes in all races.
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Old 03-02-2007, 10:42 AM   #162
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I then stated that I acknowledge that there are some women who could meet those standards and in those cases it could be alright -
That's really where the debate should end.

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but that still leaves questions of vulnerability to sexual harrasment and abuse, maintaining the esprit de corps etc.
Well where else should we apply the "vulnerability to sexual harrasment" issue? Since it's possible that sexual harrasment may happen maybe we shouldn't allow men and women to work with each other period. Walk on the streets together. Talk to each other...
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Im not going to justify arguments that I am at pains to rationalise (as in I reject them too but they have been made by somebody).
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Fair enough...
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There are times "in the field" where it is so cold that you have to huddle with your battle buddy in order to stay warm. Forcing a heterosexual to huddle closely to a homosexual is a form of sexual harassment.
Okay, I just have one question...which one of you would actually be thinking about having sex in this survival situation? Is the heterosexual guy worried he might have a sudden urge? I mean, come on!

I seriously think a big part of the problem is that too many people still think being gay is all about sex.
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