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Old 02-20-2006, 06:31 PM   #16
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How does a private law school violate "separation of church and state"?
It's not about the existence of a private law school. It's about a law school that will probably not teach like a real law school. Instead, it's probably nothing but an indoctrination facility to make an "army of lawyers" to further Monaghan's religious causes in the court system.

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Old 02-20-2006, 06:33 PM   #17
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It's not about the existence of a private law school. It's about a law school that will probably not teach like a real law school. Instead, it's probably nothing but an indoctrination facility to make an "army of lawyers" to further Monaghan's religious causes in the court system.

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Believe me, ABA and state bar accreditation means more than advancing a religious/political agenda. Students simply want to pass the bar exam.
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But you have tons of religiously affiliated law schools in the USA, some of them very highly ranked, and a lot of them extremely conservative (ie. Baylor, Pepperdine) so it seems like it's not all that strange to have this pop up.
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The average American Catholic would not fit in with Monaghan, let alone liberal Catholics. Up here in Michigan, we're quite familiar with his fanaticism. He's an ultraconservative Catholic that hates Vatican II. He created a law school and an order of nuns, both of which conform to pre-Vatican II standards. The law school, in itself, scares me because, clearly, he's not interested in any separation of church and state.


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Ugh. Anti-Vatican II Catholics absolutely make my blood boil.
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"with no place to get an abortion, pornography or birth control."

Great! Enuff business for the mafia there.

Really, I´m tempted to buy a truck, load it full of porn and sell it on the street corner of this happy Catholic town for the double.
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Supposedly, the really strict Catholic rules are only for the university, not the whole town. Monahan claims that gays will be welcome in the town. We'll see if that happens.
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It all sounds very strange to me, then again all sorts of groups make their own "towns" and communities-but any sort of discrimination is completely wrong. As for me, I like living in a place w/ a variety of people.


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Updated: 7:30 p.m. ET March 3, 2006

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Domino’s Pizza founder Thomas S. Monaghan, who is helping to bankroll the birth of a Florida town and university, backtracked Friday from comments that he’d like the community to be governed by strict Roman Catholic principles.

His ideas about barring pornography and birth control, he said, apply only to the Catholic university.

“There are a lot of misconceptions,” Monaghan said Friday.

Both the town of Ave Maria and its Ave Maria University, the first Catholic university to be built in the United States in four decades, are set to open next year about 25 miles east of Naples in southwest Florida.

Monaghan’s comments Friday contrasted with statements he made last year to a Catholic men’s group in Boston that pornographic magazines won’t be sold in town, pharmacies won’t carry condoms or birth control pills, and cable television will carry no X-rated channels.

“I would say I just misspoke,” Monaghan said Friday in an interview with The Associated Press. “The town will be open to anybody.”

Monaghan had declined to comment earlier in the week, while his attorneys were reviewing legal issues surrounding his original ideas.


The American Civil Liberties Union of Florida had said it would sue if the proposals were instituted. Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist said he saw nothing in Monaghan’s proposals that violated state law.

The town is being developed through a 50-50 partnership with the Barron Collier Co., an agricultural and real estate firm. Barron Collier and Monaghan will control all commercial real estate.

The town will not allow adult bookstores or topless clubs. However, it will merely suggest, not prohibit, businesses from selling adult magazines or contraceptives.

“We are not going to censor any of that information, but in deference to Ave Maria University, we are going to request that they not sell that merchandise but we are not restricting,” said Barron Collier chief executive Paul Marinelli.

Town will not be all Catholic
“The misconception we’re trying to clarify is that this is not going to be a strictly Catholic town. ... I think it would be boring if in fact it was all Catholic,” Marinelli said.

He said the town would welcome “synagogues as well as Baptist churches.”

Barron Collier executive Blake Gable said homosexuals will be welcome despite the church’s belief that homosexuality is a sin.

Also contrary to Monaghan’s earlier statements, the town will not restrict cable television programming.

Marinelli said the town, expected to attract 25,000 residents, will offer affordable and extravagant housing, including seven different communities for groups from seniors to young families.

“We’re just trying to create an environment where children will be safe on the streets, where they can ride their bikes and play ball in the park,” he said. “We’re truly just trying to create a town with traditional values.”
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Monahan can own the town, but he cannot over ride federal and state laws regarding public accomodations.
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I guess we'll see this on future maps.
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Even homeowner association groups annoy the hell out of me, so this place/concept is even more astonishing. I can't help wondering who in the world would want to go there (for the college) or live there (for the town).


Then I find myself truly horrified to find there are actually people who do want to do both.
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I wouldn't want to live there.
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Even homeowner association groups annoy the hell out of me, so this place/concept is even more astonishing. I can't help wondering who in the world would want to go there (for the college) or live there (for the town).


Then I find myself truly horrified to find there are actually people who do want to do both.
HOA's are sometimes an unavoidable evil. Most new housing tracks (over the last 25+ years) have them.

In addition to the insane restrictions, there is another evil. People look to the HOA as the neighborhood disputre resolution service. Instead of talking to neighbors, people go to the HOA.
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There are a lot of these HOA "gated community" type places where my mother lives in Florida--mostly wealthy Northern retirees, it seems. She doesn't herself live in one, no way we could afford that, but it often seems like half the town does. Actually it suits her fine, as she's kind of a loner anyway and doesn't care to be buddy-buddy with all her neighbors, but still she often comments on how strange it was to her to discover, having lived in the South for many years, that Florida--much of it anyway--is so different from that won't-you-come-in-and-have-some-tea sort of culture that prevailed in Mississippi.

Like nb I also am kind of mystified as to how folks could be so gung-ho about living in the "right" neighborhood when neighborliness itself, to me the most basic aspect of that, could be so far removed from the picture.
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Florida is definitely not the South. Many people who live there weren't born there. My dad was born there, but his mother was from Georgia and his father was from West Virginia. My parents met and were married there. I wouldn't want to live there for several reasons, the main reason being the hurricanes--although we in Alabama catch enough in hurricane season.
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HOAs are found across the country and are not limited to wealthy neighborhoods. Most new home developments in Southern California (starting in the mid 1980s) all have HOAs. Some have a clear need (operation of common facilities, like a pool), but many exist just tom maintain common property (like slopes).
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