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Old 08-22-2007, 08:22 PM   #106
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What pissed me off today was what Stephon Maurbary said..

"I just learned that dog fighting was a sport, and now I feel horrible for him, and wish him the best"

Who cares if its a fucking sport???
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Old 08-22-2007, 09:49 PM   #107
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.... becaaaaaaause making dogs fight for entertainment is a bad thing. It's shocking to learn it's a sport.

I don't get your

I could see a at the "... and now I feel bad for him." Because I don't see why anyone would feel bad for him after learning about dog fighting.
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I get what you're saying, but I think he has a screw loose.. a chip missing or whatever. Something's not right in him that he could do what he did, so I don't think a bit of volunteering is going to turn that around I think it goes deeper than that.
I agree. We do have "volunteers" at our shelter that are doing mandatory community service and they often make MORE work for the rest of us. And these aren't people who have not been convicted of federal crimes or animal cruelty.

If he did the crime, he should serve the appropriate time. I couldn't care less about his football career b/c I couldn't care less about pro football.
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I agree. We do have "volunteers" at our shelter that are doing mandatory community service and they often make MORE work for the rest of us. And these aren't people who have not been convicted of federal crimes or animal cruelty.

If he did the crime, he should serve the appropriate time. I couldn't care less about his football career b/c I couldn't care less about pro football.
I don't care about his career, either...I don't understand American football at all.

However, as messed up as he is, I think it's worth attempting some sort of rehabilitation. I'm not saying I'd let him walk my dog in the near future, but it would be something if he could actually have a breakthrough in his behaviour. If that were to happen in a place where many animals have escaped previous abuse, that kind of personal growth would be rather meaningful.
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.... becaaaaaaause making dogs fight for entertainment is a bad thing. It's shocking to learn it's a sport.

Okay, never mind. I just saw the guy's entire quote, and I understand what he was saying. And that makes me go too.
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Why ? Because like it or not, the impact of cruelty to animals is not the same as th eimpact on cruelty to humans. There ARE orders of magnitude at work here. Taking a human life in my book is orders of magnitude worse.

Using your logic and taking it a step further, swatting a fly, spraying ants, stepping on a spider who isn't hurting anyone except your aesthetic or getting your house tented are acts of cruelty also.

I hope Vick goes to jail, for a long time. I just think it's a travesty that the NFL takes this more seriously than they did Leonard Little or Lawrence Phillips.
You're sadly very misinformed, toscano. You're underestimating what cruelty to animals is, what that cruelty can lead to, and what it represents about the mind of the person who does this and acts of savagery like it. If you think for even one minute that cruelty to animals, while sad, is not a red flag for immediate alarm, then you need to wise up very fast.

I also disagree with him being supervised while learning about caring for animals is a suitable fix. This cruelty to animals isn't really about a dislike or even hatred of dogs. It's a perversion with satisfying bloodlust, control, the enjoyment of being witness to pain, to being the controller of pain, domination, etc, etc.
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I don't care about his career, either...I don't understand American football at all.

However, as messed up as he is, I think it's worth attempting some sort of rehabilitation. I'm not saying I'd let him walk my dog in the near future, but it would be something if he could actually have a breakthrough in his behaviour. If that were to happen in a place where many animals have escaped previous abuse, that kind of personal growth would be rather meaningful.
I'm not against rehab, but like Angela Harlem says, the torture of animals is only one symptom of a deeper problem. I wouldn't support having child kidnappers do mandatory recess duty at local schools or arsonists on the fire squads. Maybe he needs some kind of psychiatric evaluation and therapy, but I know first hand that the best animal shelters function well because everyone wants to be there.
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Stephon Maurbary has demonstrated his lack of IQ.
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Dear Stephon Marbury,

It's not a sport. It's a felony in 48 states (and illegal in all 50).


I think Jon Stewart summed it up the best for me a few nights ago, re: whether Vick would be back, what team would pick him, the gambling etc. -

"He killed dogs with his bare hands!"
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"I think it's tough,'' Marbury said, according to Albany TV station Capital News 9. "I think, you know, we don't say anything about people who shoot deer or shoot other animals. You know, from what I hear, dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors.''

"I think it's tough that we build Michael Vick up and then we break him down,'' Marbury said. "I think he's one of the superb athletes, and he's a good human being. I just think that he fell into a bad situation.''
A bad situation? Just behind closed doors? Lotsa illegal horrific shit is going on behind closed doors! Marbury is a dumbass!!
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Some athletes seem to practice that sort of code about defending each other like some police do. That's a pathetic statement, he should be ashamed. His ignorance regarding animal abuse is bad enough, but trying to make Vick some sort of victim is inexcusable.

Making Vick a victim in that way is similar to what some of the athletes and public say about spousal abuse-it's interesting.




Pit bulls at Vick's house face deadline

By ZINIE CHEN SAMPSON, Associated Press WriterWed Aug 22

More than 50 pit bulls seized from Michael Vick's property face a Thursday deadline to be claimed. If no one comes forward, they could be euthanized.

Federal prosecutors filed court documents last month to condemn 53 pit bulls seized in April as part of the investigation into dogfighting on the Vick's property. No one has claimed any of the dogs, which are being held at several unspecified shelters in eastern Virginia, the U.S. Attorney's office said Wednesday.

The civil complaint filed by federal prosecutors does not name the Atlanta Falcons quarterback and is separate from the criminal case against him. But it does state the pit bulls were part of the dogfighting operation known as "Bad Newz Kennels," which Vick and three cohorts are accused of operating.

Also included in the document are detailed allegations about the nature of the animals' training regimen and the dogfights occurring at Vick's property at 1915 Moonlight Road in Surry County.

The government filed three public civil forfeiture notices in a Richmond newspaper to publicize the dogs' confiscation, and the deadline for claims is 30 days after the appearance of the final notice, filed July 24.

Federal prosecutors declined to comment Wednesday on the seized dogs. Typically, when confiscated property goes unclaimed, the government asks the court to have the items declared forfeited. In this case, U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson will make the final decision on the dogs' fate.

"There's no dispute over who owns the dogs," said Daphna Nachminovitch, a spokeswoman for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. "Obviously this is not going to be a process where someone steps forward and says, 'This is my dog, can I have her back, please?' "

Though Hudson, who also is handling Vick's criminal case, will determine what becomes of the pit bulls, Nachminovitch said that it's likely that they will be euthanized because they're not adoptable as pets.

"These dogs are a ticking time bomb," she said. "Rehabilitating fighting dogs is not in the cards. It's widely accepted that euthanasia is the most humane thing for them."

Vick, 27, said through a lawyer this week that he will plead guilty to a federal charge of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. He is scheduled to enter his plea agreement Monday and could face up to five years in prison.

Three Vick associates have pleaded guilty to the conspiracy charge and agreed to testify against him if the case went to trial. They said Vick provided virtually all the gambling and operating funds for the Bad Newz Kennels enterprise. Two of them also said Vick participated in executing at least eight underperforming dogs by various means, including drowning and hanging.

The locations of the shelters holding the dogs haven't been disclosed out of concern that the animals could be stolen, Nachminovitch said.

"They are a hot commodity in the world of dogfighting," she said.
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Why ? Because like it or not, the impact of cruelty to animals is not the same as th eimpact on cruelty to humans. There ARE orders of magnitude at work here. Taking a human life in my book is orders of magnitude worse.

Using your logic and taking it a step further, swatting a fly, spraying ants, stepping on a spider who isn't hurting anyone except your aesthetic or getting your house tented are acts of cruelty also.

I hope Vick goes to jail, for a long time. I just think it's a travesty that the NFL takes this more seriously than they did Leonard Little or Lawrence Phillips.
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stephon marbury has the mental capacity of a newt
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stephon marbury has the mental capacity of a newt
I think that's giving him too much credit.
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You're sadly very misinformed, toscano. You're underestimating what cruelty to animals is, what that cruelty can lead to, and what it represents about the mind of the person who does this and acts of savagery like it. If you think for even one minute that cruelty to animals, while sad, is not a red flag for immediate alarm, then you need to wise up very fast.
Exactly. Take a good look at the history of sociopaths and it's an excellent bet there were cats or dogs or other critters that paid with their lives along the way somewhere.
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