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Old 09-01-2007, 12:40 PM   #166
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As far as I know, dog fighting isn't a huge thing in this country.
Sorry, you don't know much (on this) then. Dog fighting is HUGE. 1 out of 5 school kids in the Chicago area has participated in dog fighting. I don't know where you grew up and under what circumstances, but generally those that say "I don't get why it's such a big deal, it's really care" really have no business commenting b/c they are in the minority as far as where they got to live and having the luxury of not ever knowing about dog fighting (and all the crimes that come with it....).
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The NFL lets wife beaters and murderers play, one of the guys who trampled all over the constitution resigns and won't serve one second in jail

What reigns in the media and in here ? dog fighting and same sex marriage in Iowa.

Vick ? Sure, put him away, yes, HE DESERVES IT. But it's a well known and documented 'hood activity which got absolutely no press until Vick was caught. This goes on, and will go on daily all over the US and we will never hear of it again.
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I think once Vick goes to jail, the NFL and the government overal will be way more strict with NFL players...

Anyone think for the guys who tried to make this a racial case think that they have something to do with dog fighting?
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Sorry, you don't know much (on this) then. Dog fighting is HUGE. 1 out of 5 school kids in the Chicago area has participated in dog fighting.



1 out of 5????? No way, maybe 1-30 kids...No way can be out of 5, I know wayyy to much kids in the chicago area and im %110 positive they dont dog fight
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1 out of 5????? No way, maybe 1-30 kids...No way can be out of 5, I know wayyy to much kids in the chicago area and im %110 positive they dont dog fight
Yes, 1 of 5. Say you know 30 kids that don't dog fight....there are schools where everyone in the class is into dog fighting! It just depends on who you know, where you grew up.....but that was the point of the study, to show that it is HUGE and the only people that think it's not are people living in nice neighborhoods who have dogs as spoiled family pets, but that's not reality for the majority of people in this country.
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1 out of 5????? No way, maybe 1-30 kids...No way can be out of 5, I know wayyy to much kids in the chicago area and im %110 positive they dont dog fight
Taking the city population of 2,873,321 inhabitants, and 26.2% under the age of 18, according to wikipedia, twenty percent, or 1 out of 5, are 150,562 children.

Quite possible I would say.
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Sorry, you don't know much (on this) then. Dog fighting is HUGE. 1 out of 5 school kids in the Chicago area has participated in dog fighting.
I kind of doubt this is true as well.

It certainly doesn't make sense in light of national data. The BBC states that an estimated 40,000 people in the US participate in professional dog fighting with "tens of thousands more" having participated in amateur-style dog fighting. It's simply impossible that Chicago's 150,000 youth have participated in dog fighting unless they account for essentially 100% of dog fighting in the US.

Furthermore, from the ASPCA comes the number of "tens of thousands" across the USA.

The Humane Society has a figure of 40,000.
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Well, if those figures were correct, than it doesn't really fit.
The 150,000 is kids from 0 to 18, but still if you took away all up to ten years of age it would be too high a number.
And, it's only the city population
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I'm always suspicious of surveys like this because they're generally inaccurate. A lot of kids say "yes" because they want to seem cool and what not. It has been a long-held theory that the age of losing one's virginity is artificially low because it's based on self-reported data and nobody really wants to say 24, so they go with 16.
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Yes, 1 of 5. Say you know 30 kids that don't dog fight....there are schools where everyone in the class is into dog fighting! It just depends on who you know, where you grew up.....but that was the point of the study, to show that it is HUGE and the only people that think it's not are people living in nice neighborhoods who have dogs as spoiled family pets, but that's not reality for the majority of people in this country.
um I know this and its not like i dont know people who aren't "wealthy" in that matter
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The study was introduced on a TV program so I don't have the numbers in front of me, but by "kids" they were talking about elementary school kids (so what is that like ages 5-14 or so?) and by "participation" they were mostly referring to stealing bait dogs or moving the fighting dogs to and from the pits but also included attending fights and tending to dogs after there was a fight. They often use children b/c people don't suspect or don't want to believe a child is being lured into that type of activity. Also, the pit fighting goes hand in hand with a lot of gang activity and lower level drug activity - things unfortunately very common in school age kids. Even if kids lied and it was more like 1 in 30 rather than 1 in 5, that's still disturbing (to me at least). At any rate, it's a much bigger problem than people thought before all this Michael Vick crap came to light. For those who've lived in the inner-city, you know which dogs have been in which fights, who to go to if you are interested in that sort of activity, and where to go if you want to see the fights take place. The attitude that "this CANT be happening" is laughed at by a lot of people b/c those that are participating at the lower levels LOVE it when people say that. It makes it so much easier for it to continue when no one wants to believe it does...
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NEW YORK -- Whoopi Goldberg started her stint on ABC's "The View" Tuesday by coming to the defense of convicted felon Michael Vick.

Just 15 minutes into the show she brought up Vick's conviction on dogfighting charges.

"You know from his background this is not an unusual thing for where he comes from," said Goldberg."There are certain things that are indicative to certain parts of our country."

Co-host Joy Behar seemed shocked at Goldberg's statements.

"How about dog torture and dog murdering," Behar asked.

"Unfortunately it's part of the thing," Goldberg replied. "You're a dog lover. For a lot of people dogs are sport," she added.

Behar continued to shake her head in disgust.Goldberg said it seemed to her that it took a while for Vick to realize that the charges against him were serious.

"It seemed like a light went off in his head when he realized that this was something the entire country really didn't appreciated, didn't like," Goldberg said, referring to Vick's guilty plea.

She said if the case had involved somebody from New York City her feelings would have been different.
Goldberg pointed out that Vick was raised in the South.

"This is part of his cultural upbringing," said Goldberg.
Co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck said she was encouraged by the NFL suspending Vick indefinitely.

But Goldberg continued to defend Vick saying "This is a kid who comes from a culture when this is not questioned."

It was Goldberg's first day moderating the talk show. She took over from Rosie O'Donnell who quit the show earlier this year after feuds with Donald Trump and Hasselbeck.

Last month Vick entered a guilty plea in federal court in Richmond, Virginia

In his written plea, Vick admitted helping kill six to eight pit bulls and supplying money for gambling on the fights.

Vick will be sentenced on the dogfighting charges in December. The federal sentencing guideline projects a year to 18 months, but the judge can impose up to the five-year maximum.

Vick and three co-defendants, Purnell Peace of Virginia Beach, Quanis Phillips of Atlanta and Tony Taylor of Hampton all pleaded guilty to interstate dogfighting conspiracy charges.

The details outlined in the indictment and other court papers fueled a public backlash against Vick and cost him several lucrative endorsement deals, even before he agreed to plead guilty.

The case began in late April when authorities conducting a drug investigation of Vick's cousin raided the former Virginia Tech star's rural Surry County property and seized dozens of dogs, some injured, and equipment commonly used in dogfighting.

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So what, if he had played for the Jets her attitude would have been different?

He killed dogs - living, breathing creatures - for sport. Why it's even being questioned whether it's wrong or simply "part of his culture" shouldn't even be an issue.
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Agreed, I think Whoopi was looking for some attention for her first show...
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