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Old 08-24-2007, 10:19 AM   #151
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Said last night on the news the NAACP has declared Vick is 'not a victim' and should take responsibilty for his actions.
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Old 08-24-2007, 12:53 PM   #152
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The plea is all about the NFL personal conduct policy, and if he is allowed to do it that way that's just a joke in my opinion.
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:27 PM   #153
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The plea is all about the NFL personal conduct policy, and if he is allowed to do it that way that's just a joke in my opinion.
That's probably true, but looking at the hard line new commish Roger Goodell has taken on personal conduct I think Vick is through regardless of how the plea agreement reads.
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Old 08-24-2007, 02:41 PM   #154
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According to ESPN Radio, Vick will plea on Monday that he was present when the dogs were killed but didn't participate in the killing and didn't gamble on the fighting itself.

This seems to contradict the testimony of the three other defendants. So, it will be interesting to see how this will all play out.
Now he's saying that he did help kill the dogs, but didn't gamble:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7...PHCP&GT1=10347

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Michael Vick filed his plea agreement in federal court Friday admitting to conspiracy in a dogfighting ring and helping kill pit bulls. He denied ever betting on the fights, only bankrolling them. . .
According to the statement, Vick also was involved with the others in killing six to eight dogs that did not perform well in testing sessions last April. The dogs were executed by drowning or hanging.

"Vick agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts" of Vick and two of the co-defendants, Phillips and Peace, the statement said.
I don't know if I find it sad, hilarious, or pathetic that in Michael Vick's mind gambling is worse than killing dogs .

I guess it all boils down to the issue that admitting to gambling is more of a problem if he wants to return to the NFL someday. That's just nuts.

eta: In Vick's statement of facts, he was aware of the killing in 2002 but did not "kill any dogs at this time" in 2002.

However, in April of 2007, when the 8 dogs were killed by hanging or drowning because they performed poorly, "Vick agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective effort of Peace, Phillips, and Vick."

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/7153032_37_1.pdf
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ESPN are a bunch of shrills. Len Pasquarlli (sp?) is a giant douche, and is probably the unnamed source who provided that garbage. LP has been very forgiving in the information regarding Vick. Many believe it's due to him getting information from Vicks agent. Sort of a tic for tact.

Someone at the station needs to respond to what they're doing. They come out with a report stating something that is completely wrong.

Vick has admitted to everything. It's not a watered down plea like ESPN tried to have everyone believe last night.

Check out the link below for a very detailed account of the Plea:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
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Old 08-24-2007, 07:07 PM   #156
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I don't know if I find it sad, hilarious, or pathetic that in Michael Vick's mind gambling is worse than killing dogs .

I guess it all boils down to the issue that admitting to gambling is more of a problem if he wants to return to the NFL someday. That's just nuts.
He's been suspended indefinitely by Goodell because of the gambling. It's not really surprising that the gambling issue is the "cause" of his suspension - gambling and everything associated with it is something that causes sports leagues to shudder. It'll be interesting to see how long this indefinite suspension lasts for because he didn't game on NFL games. Part of me says that the suspension would be lifted at some point, but part of me sees Goodell playing hardball with this conduct policy and sticking to the indefinite suspension.
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So how much time will this scumbag get in jail? I'd throw the book at him and lock him up for 10 years, that or parachute him into Baghdad with a big target on his back.
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(CNN) -- When young Tyler Reab got his autographed Michael Vick football for Christmas in 2005, he was shaking with excitement. Who knew it would end like this: his pet dog, Otis, munching on the once-cherished ball until it popped, its slobbery remnants hawked on eBay.

But that's just what has happened in the aftermath of Vick's guilty plea to a federal dogfighting conspiracy charge. Tyler ultimately chose man's best friend over his once favorite sports star.

"From the beginning, it was his choice as to what he wanted to do with it," his father Chris Reab told CNN.com. "I commend him."

Tyler of Corvallis, Oregon, and his uncle, Jason Cripe, shot I-Report video in which Otis is fed the ball. The black, 1-year-old mixed breed is skeptical at first, but quickly warms to the football, walking around with it in his mouth.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/wayof...ml#cnnSTCVideo

"Get it, get it," Tyler says in the video, as he and his uncle laugh with glee.

Otis eventually chews it so hard the ball deflates.

Cripe says he gave the ball to his nephew as a Christmas present. It came in a clear case and it soon became the boy's "prized possession." Tyler, now 13, often used Windex to buff up the case, giving it a spit-clean shine.

But after the recent turn of events with Vick, the boy decided to get rid of it. After all, everyone in the Reab house loves animals and there was no place for Vick anymore, his dad said.

The chewed-up football is selling on eBay with a starting bid of 99 cents. The family has pledged to donate 100 percent of the proceeds to the Oregon Humane Society and Hope for Kids Foundation, a nonprofit organization that seeks to protect Oregon's after-school programs.

"I'm really proud of him," the father said of his son.
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Someone else sold their dog chewed Vick trading cards for like $7500 (for the Humane Society).
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First Vick says he didnt know about it.

Second Vick says he knew about it but never did anything about it.

Third he is apologizing on espn after his courtdate was sentenced stating the fast that he was really sorry, well sorry for what? Knowing what was happening?? There was def more to the story then the public new.

Now he's saying he helped kill the dogs but didnt gamble..

This is a load of bull shit. He's guilty
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Old 08-31-2007, 07:57 AM   #161
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utter heartbreaking - those poor dogs. It frightens me how some people can be so cruel

How much time in jail would he get for being involved in dog fighting?
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Old 08-31-2007, 08:50 AM   #162
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Well he gets sentenced in December...we'll see. I'm guessing a year.

And I thought his apology was pretty weak. I know people said they thought he "seemed sincere" and I guess he did, but IMO the look of sincerity comes from the fact that he's sorry his career is in the toilet & he's off to jail; he never apologized for killing the dogs, or for anything specific in fact, other than setting a bad example for kids.
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Im saying 2-3, and agreed, all it was, was about the children, nothing about saying that he was sorry about killing the dogs..

I bet you he still doesn't care, but I promise you he ain't gonna do it again..
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Old 09-01-2007, 12:37 AM   #164
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I do think dog fighting is a very horrible thing. I also think this entire thing is being blown out of proportion. As far as I know, dog fighting isn't a huge thing in this country. The only reason it's been blown up so much is because a celebrity did it. Otherwise no one would really care. I guess that's just how the media works though.

And I think it's silly to say that people who enjoy dog fights would also enjoy seeing humans slaughtering eachother. Dogs and humans are different, you know.
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yes dogs and humans are different, but the essense the ESSENSE of life is the same. How could someone find enjoyment out of one dog ripping another dog to shreds. How could someone be able to hold a struggling dog under the water until it died, or strangle it with a rope. Two beautiful dogs live accross the road from me, one of them a pitbull and he is the most loving, and gentle dog i've ever met. it turns my stomach that to some people, they'd enjoy seeing him bloody and torn and whimpering and possibly dead just so they can make some extra cash.

it is a big deal because its fucking horrible - and i don't think i'd feel worse if it was two men fighting - in fact, i felt the same way when they had those 'bum fights' with the poor homeless guys who'd fight for money or alcohol.
Its scary to think there are people out there that want to watch that. celebrity or not - its a sickening horrendous thing!
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