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Old 03-02-2006, 06:05 PM   #16
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Well, there's the handshake.....




Damn, I've said too much already
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Would any radio host be happy to receive a note from a Supreme Court Justice?


but he uses it as evidence of his enormous weight and influence within the administration itself -- evidently, he's got the proof to back it up.

ask yourself this: would Alito have been the nominee had Bush not gotten the thumbs up from Dobson?

consider:

[q]Jim Dobson, the head of Focus on the Family, who held weekly telephone conversations with Karl Rove during the campaign, has put the President on notice. He told ABC's "This Week" that "this president has two years, or more broadly the Republican Party has two years, to implement these policies, or certainly four, or I believe they'll pay a price in the next election."

http://www.theocracywatch.org/chris_hedges_nov24_04.htm

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There are plenty of people who "put the President on notice" regarding agenda items. Even so, the "notice" you quote refers to the 2008 election ("pay the price in the next election"), not a claim to policy decision making power.

I can't imagine the thank you note constitutes "enormous weight and influence withing the adminstration".
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This shit scares me even more after reading what joyfulgirl posted.
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Scary thank you notes.
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I can't imagine the thank you note constitutes "enormous weight and influence withing the adminstration".


perhaps the weekly conference calls to Dobson?

perhaps Rove having to "reassure" Dobson over the Miers nomination?

perhaps all the influence that Dobson says he has?
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perhaps the weekly conference calls to Dobson?

perhaps Rove having to "reassure" Dobson over the Miers nomination?

perhaps all the influence that Dobson says he has?
Pleas to base supporters during an election?

Damage control after Miers nomination is announced?

Self-promoting claims?


Why don't we check Dobson's mail to see who else has been "compromised"???
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I find it disconcerting that a judge, who is supposed to be nonpartisan and non-ideological as designed by the Founding Fathers (since America loves historicist comments like that), is sending such notes to a clearly partisan and highly ideological person like Dobson.

It does beg the question as to whether Alito does intend to "return the favor" in ways that a judge should not. But, since his confirmation was always a formality anyway, I guess we have no choice but to sit back and find out for ourselves.

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I find it disconcerting that a judge, who is supposed to be nonpartisan and non-ideological as designed by the Founding Fathers (since America loves historicist comments like that), is sending such notes to a clearly partisan and highly ideological person like Dobson.
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I find it disconcerting that a judge, who is supposed to be nonpartisan and non-ideological as designed by the Founding Fathers (since America loves historicist comments like that), is sending such notes to a clearly partisan and highly ideological person like Dobson.
Perhaps thanking a partisan group is a reflection of the highly political nature of the confirmation hearings.

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It does beg the question as to whether Alito does intend to "return the favor" in ways that a judge should not. But, since his confirmation was always a formality anyway, I guess we have no choice but to sit back and find out for ourselves.
Judicial impartiality is the core of a judge's integrity - something that any judge takes seriously.

I'd worry more about states that require elections for judges. Fundraising to secure a seat on the bench creates far more opportunity to "return the favor" than here in Alito's case.
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Perhaps thanking a partisan group is a reflection of the highly political nature of the confirmation hearings.



Judicial impartiality is the core of a judge's integrity - something that any judge takes seriously.

I'd worry more about states that require elections for judges. Fundraising to secure a seat on the bench creates far more opportunity to "return the favor" than here in Alito's case.
This is how we ended up with Roy Moore as a judge in Alabama. He was elected in 2000, and he's laughing all the way to the political bank.
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Well, I suppose that, 2 yrs from now, when a 14 yr old girl is raped by her sicko father or stepfather and gotten pregnant, and can't get even a first trimester abortion OR has to carry the baby to term and keep it, BECAUSE under federal law any doctor in this land is branded a common criminal for performing ANY abortion and fined $10,000 and sent to prison for 5 yrs, (as is now law in South Dakota), we'll see if Dobson has had any power.

That note read: "You have 2 yrs to overturn Roe, and make the South Dakota law the law of the land, or you will pay the price." Some people, like myself, think the SD law is huge blessing in disguise for the pro-Roe squad, because it is SO draconian there is no realistic way even a moderate conservative on the Court would uphold it, even if he is pro-life, because public opinion is overwhlemingly shades of gray on this. If the SD law were less harsh, it would be a better tool to begin dismantling Roe bit by bit. But this is so harsh that when this case is voted on next yr, if the SD law is the one in question, it might make it easier to uphold Roe. If anyone BUT Alito and Roberts were on the Court, the "shades of gray" forces (the ones of prudence and common sense) might win.

But not with political nutjobs like Dobson behind the curtain. And if you think it;s only notes, you're nuts. How much money did FOTF contribute to the Alito effort?

If you think Bush ( or his appontees) ignores these people when big political questions come up, consider this: in 2003 Israel had captured a major Palestinian suspect (forgot who) and Sharon personally wanted to execute him but changed his mind after Bush informed him of concerns over a new Palestinian intifada. Sharon did an about face and announced the guy would get the harshest punishment without being executed. The Christian Right went ballistic, and bombarded the White House with 100,000 emails in the 24 hrs after this news hit the headlines. Dobson was right in the thick of the fray. At the end of those 24 hrs, Sharon apparently had second thoughts. He had the guy executed a couple weeks later. And the White House said absolutely nothing.

I found this out from Jimmy Carter's brand new book, "Our Endangered Values." Carter, a Democrat but the REAL Christian (not Bush.) Check it out everybody. You will read things that chill your blood. I thought I knew a lot about these people, but Carter of course has political access to people we don't. He can hear stories 2nd hand. Whatever he did during his Administration (and he made a LOT of frig-ups), it is settled historical fact by now of his genune human rights concerns, and how he became a greater man after he left office. Personally, I'd trust the Nobel Peace Prize winner, thank you.

After reading this, if any of you think that Alito and Roberts are just the latest in a long tradition of conservative appointees to SCOTUS who run into the same brick wall of Precident and decide to uphold Roe or civil rights laws becuase of the effect it would have on the country if precident of so long were overturned, (no matter how they personally feel ), think again. These guys really WILL be different. I can easily see in the month before the vote on this upcoming abortion case, a National Month of Prayer, a "get out the vote" campaign where 100,000 emails A DAY are sent to the White House for 30 days asking Bush to keep a close watch on the Court personally (hey, after 33 yrs of slavering to overturn Roe, and maybe affirmative action and a few other civil rights laws as well, being so close and having this unique chance, do you think they'll sit back and wait for the Court to vote? HELL NO!) Reading articles in Newsweek this week on this subject make me cringe, becuase they're still stuck on the different planet we used to be. They haven't gotten the Picture yet that things have changed.

Hey, I'm all for limiting some abortion but not for turning America back to the reproductive Stone Age, and thus begging Cina and India to take up our moral and technological lead where we dropped it in the fields of blind ideology. It would have huge health repercussions as well. We all know that for people like Dobson (and his hugely influencial circle of churches) for many it does not end with abortion. Many don't like any kind of birth control either, and are the ones behind the recent pharmancy crap.)

Bottom line: I can't recall the last time the leader of a powerful special interest group insisted on reading a letter personally written to him by a Supreme Court Justice on the air. Just that very act suggests a level of political good-ol-boyship that is better reserved for the military or the VP and his hunting buddies.

If you're friends from way back, fine. But if that "friendship" is for a political purpose....
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Perhaps thanking a partisan group is a reflection of the highly political nature of the confirmation hearings.
All Alito had to do was sit pretty and not (openly) declare a hatred for all minorities and non-Christians.

When you have 55 Republicans, you pretty much don't have to do anything to be confirmed.

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All Alito had to do was sit pretty and not (openly) declare a hatred for all minorities and non-Christians.

When you have 55 Republicans, you pretty much don't have to do anything to be confirmed.

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Confirmation hearings are platforms for agenda groups to build support for their base. Alito's confirmation may not have been in question, but he was still forced to participate in a highly political process to get there.
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