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Old 01-14-2005, 06:19 PM   #61
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God also taught that the penalty for murder is death. I understand it is the only law that is mentioned in all five books of the Pentatuch. Jesus merely acknowledges the penalty.

Jesus never suggested that there should be no consequences to our behavior.
You must not say that. It is not so.

You must not say these things, NBC Crusader.

You must not pretend to know the will of God.

You like your knowledge, but you must know not to pretend to know the will of God. You must not say that "God also taught that the penalty for murder is death" when you do not know the will of God, as none of us do.
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Old 01-14-2005, 06:29 PM   #62
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And another thing (for Bible quoters)...

You must not pretend that your interpretation of the Bible is literal fact.

You must not twist the words of the Bible to suit your own agenda.

You must not use the Bible to justify killing.
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Old 01-14-2005, 07:23 PM   #63
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You must not say that. It is not so.

You must not say these things, NBC Crusader.

You must not pretend to know the will of God.

You like your knowledge, but you must know not to pretend to know the will of God. You must not say that "God also taught that the penalty for murder is death" when you do not know the will of God, as none of us do.
And who are ou to say such things?

These are statements from Scripture. When multiple statements tie together, we get a clearer picture of what GOd intends. This has nothing to do with the will of God, but the commands of God.
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Do you include yourself in that we?
Yes. I've never suggested otherwise.
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Human intrepretations of the will of God are imperfect. One must not quote scripture to justify one's his own political viewpoints. You presented your opinion as factual. Intrepretations of scripture should be presented with caveats. This is important, surely?
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And who are ou to say such things?
Precisely. Who am I, and who are you, to say such things?
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I get very frightened when people make God in THIER own image...which is tiny, ineffectual and suited for thier own purposes....very frightened.
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And who are ou to say such things?

These are statements from Scripture. When multiple statements tie together, we get a clearer picture of what GOd intends. This has nothing to do with the will of God, but the commands of God.
I have yet to see anything except an out-of-context "live by the sword die by the sword" which says God is OK with murder as punishment. My mind, is, however, open.

"Thou shalt not kill"
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I am against the deathpenalty because i don`t want to sacrifice a innocent human to satisfy my need for revenge.
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Old 01-15-2005, 05:41 AM   #71
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Personally, I find it more important to make sure that no innocent person gets executed by mistake, than to make sure that the people who do deserve to die do so. The system is run by imperfect human beings and is therefore imperfect, and I wouldn't trust it to deal out life and death.
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Human intrepretations of the will of God are imperfect. One must not quote scripture to justify one's his own political viewpoints. You presented your opinion as factual. Intrepretations of scripture should be presented with caveats. This is important, surely?
Deal with all Scripture for what it says, whether you agree with it or not.

No one claims to know the mind of God, but He has given us Scripture to live by. Don't ignore it because it doesn't match what you want.
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Deal with all Scripture for what it says, whether you agree with it or not.

No one claims to know the mind of God, but He has given us Scripture to live by. Don't ignore it because it doesn't match what you want.

and don't trust it too much either. all reading is interpretation, all reading is influenced by cultural prejudices. langage does not carry a single authoritarian message, rather, words can say many different meanings simultaneously.

your interpretations are your own, and as such they can be precious and valuable and sources of great strenght and solace.

but they are still totally your own.

there are valid readings and poor readings, but there is no single correct reading.
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Old 01-15-2005, 01:07 PM   #74
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I agree, anyone can come up with their own interpretation and that can be problematic. But even the strictest possible interpretation of the New Testament is relatively benign compared to other Holy Books. I don't fear Christian fundamentalists in the least, it's other types of fundamentalists we need to worry about.
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I don't fear Christian fundamentalists in the least, it's other types of fundamentalists we need to worry about.
Scary statement.
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