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Old 01-17-2005, 03:11 PM   #151
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This is often repeated but not true.


I just read the "Law of the Land"

The Constitution and all the amendments
there is no mention God directly or indirectly.

Only the 1st amendment mentions religion.

You do not think that the laws of this country are not rooted in Judeo-Chrisitian belief?
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You do not think that the laws of this country are not rooted in Judeo-Chrisitian belief?
A great number of the founding fathers were deists not Christian.
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A great number of the founding fathers were deists not Christian.
If this is true, they had no problem with a sovereign and virtuous society under God.
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If this is true, they had no problem with a sovereign and virtuous society under God.
OK...I lied.
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A great number of the founding fathers were deists not Christian.
That isn't an answer though.

Are the laws on which our society operates rooted in Judeo-Christian belief?
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You do not think that the laws of this country are not rooted in Judeo-Chrisitian belief?
I think this falls in that category of things we are taught and never examine.

wtf is Judeo-Christian anyway?

Is it bullshit term made up by people as some phony claim of inclusion or decency?
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If this is true, they had no problem with a sovereign and virtuous society under God.
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And it didn't pass, and it's off the table for now.
But it should have never even been an issue. It will come up again and it's a discrace to this country and our constitution.


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I don't support abstinence only, but I think that abstinence should be encouraged. Of course there will be those who won't choose abstinence, and protection should be taught, but taken note that it is NOT a guarantee. Nothing worse? Surely life and death issues oughta be more important.
Sex IS a life and death issue and not to be taken like this.

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I have used prostitution (and I wish I was exaggerating, but some forumers actually believe it should be legalized) to show where the whole "pro-choice" line will lead you. I'm not saying you're for it, but things are taken to extremes. Civil rights was a great movement, but it has been distorted into OJ getting off scott free, thanks to his numerous scumbag lawyers, as well as affirmative action. Women's suffrage was a great historical movement, and the terminology has been abused by those who push for abortion and prostitution.

Basically my interpretation of the liberal agenda: anything goes, legalize everything, after all, life has no meaning. And if anyone disagrees with our agenda, we label them bigots, homophobes, and racists. We'll abuse freedom of speech as much as possible, and we'll cry censorship when it offends people.
Where to start? Your grasp of politics is sometimes scary. OJ had absolutely nothing, NOTHING to do with the civil rights movement or affirmative action. Where do you get this?

And your going to extremes such as prostitution or what does not help your case because you are using extremes that no one is pushing for. Have you seen a liberal politician run on the platform? No. But we've seen politicians run on the issues that I've brought up. Until I see evidence of what you are talking about as far as mainstream politics and not some forumers then really this disscusion is lost.
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I think this falls in that category of things we are taught and never examine.

wtf is Judeo-Christian anyway?

Is it bullshit term made up by people as some phony claim of inclusion or decency?
Ok here...
Judeo-Christian Roots

"The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. (Psalms 19:7 - 8)

American Founding Ideal:

"Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be." John Adams, February 22, 1756

"These laws laid down by God are the eternal immutable laws of good and evil .... This law of nature dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity if contrary to this...

"The doctrines thus delivered we call the revealed or divine law, and they are to be found only in the holy scriptures ... [and] are found upon comparison to be really part of the original law of nature. Upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of revelation, depend all human laws; that is to say, no human laws should be suffered to contradict these. William Blackstone


and here.....

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"Proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof." (Leviticus 25:10)

"Ye have not hearkened unto me, in proclaiming liberty, every one to his brother, and every man to his neighbor: behold, I proclaim a liberty for you, saith the Lord." (Jeremiah 34:17)

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." (2 Chronicles 7:14)

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:32)

American Founding Ideal:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams

"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible" George Washington

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.... And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion ... Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail to the exclusion of religious principle." George Washington's Farewell Address


Just to name a few.

It is not some bullshit term made up by anyone. It is something that was devised to provide a definition for a concept. From the few quotes I pasted in, what else would you call it?
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Civil rights was a great movement, but it has been distorted into OJ getting off scott free, thanks to his numerous scumbag lawyers, as well as affirmative action.
Chalk this up to one of the most intelligent rants ever seen in FYM
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Oh one more Judeo-Christian thingy that would realllllllly apply to this thread.....

Judeo-Christian Roots

"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin." (Deut. 24: 6)

American Founding Ideal:

".but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted." (U.S Constitution, Art. III, Section 3, Paragraph 2)
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Ok here...
Judeo-Christian Roots

"The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. (Psalms 19:7 - 8)

American Founding Ideal:

"Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be." John Adams, February 22, 1756

"These laws laid down by God are the eternal immutable laws of good and evil .... This law of nature dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity if contrary to this...

"The doctrines thus delivered we call the revealed or divine law, and they are to be found only in the holy scriptures ... [and] are found upon comparison to be really part of the original law of nature. Upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of revelation, depend all human laws; that is to say, no human laws should be suffered to contradict these. William Blackstone


and here.....

Judeo-Christian Roots

"Proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof." (Leviticus 25:10)

"Ye have not hearkened unto me, in proclaiming liberty, every one to his brother, and every man to his neighbor: behold, I proclaim a liberty for you, saith the Lord." (Jeremiah 34:17)

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." (2 Chronicles 7:14)

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:32)

American Founding Ideal:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams

"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible" George Washington

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.... And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion ... Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail to the exclusion of religious principle." George Washington's Farewell Address


Just to name a few.

It is not some bullshit term made up by anyone. It is something that was devised to provide a definition for a concept. From the few quotes I pasted in, what else would you call it?
You should really cite the web page you got this from....in the interests of scholarly behavior.....otherwise we cannot attack the source you pulled it from.
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Oh one more Judeo-Christian thingy that would realllllllly apply to this thread.....

Judeo-Christian Roots

"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin." (Deut. 24: 6)

American Founding Ideal:

".but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted." (U.S Constitution, Art. III, Section 3, Paragraph 2)
And this....

Since I am looking at the web pages you are copying from.
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Actually we have much more in common with the Code of Hammurabi since he received his laws on tablets from god, little g. They really do make sense.
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Actually we have much more in common with the Code of Hammurabi since he received his laws on tablets from god, little g. They really do make sense.
I would agree with this. I think U.S. laws and our constitution are completely, totally secular. I say this as a practicing Catholic.
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