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Old 11-12-2002, 02:16 PM   #16
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Why it won't be legalized is because I know there are going to be far more people who are perfectly healthy smoking it, rather than a small percentage of terminally ill patients.

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Exactly...my apologies if I wasn't very clear in my previous post. I think it should be treated like any other narcotic pain killer, by perscription only. That should be the only legality to it....if you have a medical need for, your doctor should be able to prescribe it to you. Get it out to the people who will truely benefit from it, the terminally ill cancer patients who want to make themselves a little more comfortable. I don't think it should be used for the average Joe who has a "tummy ache"
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Who cares if you legalize it decrimanalize it or ban it i and any person under the sun will get weed smoke it VERY freely and not have to worry if they carry 2 g's or less.

People talking about how it should and shouldnt be legalized is going nowhere because nothing will change. There wont be more or less ppl doing it and it wont get harder or softer.

In Alberta and BC we have the best(strongest) weed in the world. There is no better stuff. I want them to keep it illegal because we all know when govt goes into business they always do a shit job of it.
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But that's not the same as what is implied in this article, that for people who have to smoke something they choose pot over marijuana. People smoke marijuana to get high, not to replace a nicotine craving/addiction. Two completely different things.
you misunderstand me, I do know people who smoke pot as an alternative to tobacco. Also, I would not be so quick to imply that the illegalality of pot has to do with politics. Marijuana is a dangerous drug, although many like to believe it is not. Justification for a dangerous habit is not a substitute for the truth.
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de-criminalize it, but don't make it legal
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Old 11-13-2002, 04:42 AM   #20
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Re: Do You Really Believe that Smoking Pot is a Safe Alternative to Tobacco?

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The British Lung Foundation warned smoking three cannabis joints a day can cause the same lung damage as 20 cigarettes.
That may be true, but how many people smoke three joints a day?
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Old 11-13-2002, 10:54 AM   #21
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Funny thing about pot: It contains all kinds of carcinogens, but it has never once been known to cause cancer. It's true. It's confounded scientists for the longest time. Unlike cigarettes, marijuana has never killed anyone.

Another interesting fact: Pot isn't a pain reliever, per se. What it does is mess with a person's short term memory, so the person will, in effect, forget that he/she is in pain.

They really need to legalize it, dammit. I have bad dealer karma.
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Funny thing about pot: It contains all kinds of carcinogens, but it has never once been known to cause cancer. It's true. It's confounded scientists for the longest time. Unlike cigarettes, marijuana has never killed anyone.

Another interesting fact: Pot isn't a pain reliever, per se. What it does is mess with a person's short term memory, so the person will, in effect, forget that he/she is in pain.

They really need to legalize it, dammit. I have bad dealer karma.
All true, according to what I've read. Whenever marijuana has been linked with cancer, it has been the combination of marijuana and cigarettes. Whenever it has been linked to car accidents, it has been the combination of alcohol and marijuana.

As for pain relief, users generally adamantly insist it dulls pain, but this is in fact inconsistent with the findings of studies. I tend to trust my own personal experience here rather than studies, as do doctors working with the terminally ill who are fighting to have medical marijuana legalized. Memory loss or pain relief? To me it doesn't matter.

Anyway, no one is saying it's not dangerous at all. But the fact that many substances that are significantly more dangerous are legal still leads me to believe the illegality of marijuana is mostly a political issue. In fact, it's incredibly obvious to me. Prescription drugs, for example, are linked to over 100,000 deaths per year according to a study published in the Journal of the AMA. Aspirin is linked to over 7,500. Marijuana 0.
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if pot is as bad as tobacco
then selling tobacco should also be made illegal
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if pot is as bad as tobacco
then selling tobacco should also be made illegal
You're right. I've advocated its illegality from the start here.

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Whenever it has been linked to car accidents, it has been the combination of alcohol and marijuana.
Think about that:
On a German Autobahn (2 lanes) i'm on the left lane with 300km/h you (smoked Marijuana)and change the lane because you try to overtake a Truck..

I think it's pretty obvious that your decreased reaction and problems with reality could lead to a deadly crash.
(You still giggle while i crash with 200km/h into your back and didn't have the time to think about what would have been a adequate reaction)

The main problme to link this with statistics is that Police irgnored non-alcoholic drugs in car accidents in the past.
That changed and i'm pretty sure that you can find statistical proofs for that soon.

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Anyway, no one is saying it's not dangerous at all. But the fact that many substances that are significantly more dangerous are legal still leads me to believe the illegality of marijuana is mostly a political issue. In fact, it's incredibly obvious to me.
Think the other way - it's a political/historical issue that some dangerous drugs are legal.
But - is it a good idea to make every drug legaly avail. just because it's less dangerous than alcohol?

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Prescription drugs, for example, are linked to over 100,000 deaths per year according to a study published in the Journal of the AMA. Aspirin is linked to over 7,500. Marijuana 0.
It depends how you count the deaths - i'm not enough of a expert to tell you if there is any physical damage through pot that can kill you But i can asure that i knew someone (school times) who died because he didn't see the risk of what he was doing (swimming in a big lake during a storm) because he smoked Marijuana.

I have no problem with Marijuana as medcine (pain relief).
I'm sure that some people know how to handle marijuana and don't abuse it.But i also know some ppl. where marijuana ruins there life.

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But marijuana is the least of our concerns when it comes to cancer. Good lord, hairspray, deodorant, pesticides, fertilizers, air pollution and most things under your kitchen sink are WAY bigger concerns. Chemical sensitivity is the illness of the 21st century and it's chemicals that are the biggest concern, not moderate amounts of marijuana. To me the concern over marijuana stills reeks of puritanical control.
If the marijuana was just sitting under your kitchen sink with the rest of the chemicals, I'd agree with you. But it's getting smoked. It's going into your body in high doses. It's smoking marijuana, drinking high doses of pesticides, and using your hairspray as a breath-freshener that pose a cancer risk.
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Think about that:
On a German Autobahn (2 lanes) i'm on the left lane with 300km/h you (smoked Marijuana)and change the lane because you try to overtake a Truck..

I think it's pretty obvious that your decreased reaction and problems with reality could lead to a deadly crash.
(You still giggle while i crash with 200km/h into your back and didn't have the time to think about what would have been a adequate reaction)

The main problme to link this with statistics is that Police irgnored non-alcoholic drugs in car accidents in the past.
That changed and i'm pretty sure that you can find statistical proofs for that soon.



Think the other way - it's a political/historical issue that some dangerous drugs are legal.
But - is it a good idea to make every drug legaly avail. just because it's less dangerous than alcohol?



It depends how you count the deaths - i'm not enough of a expert to tell you if there is any physical damage through pot that can kill you But i can asure that i knew someone (school times) who died because he didn't see the risk of what he was doing (swimming in a big lake during a storm) because he smoked Marijuana.

I have no problem with Marijuana as medcine (pain relief).
I'm sure that some people know how to handle marijuana and don't abuse it.But i also know some ppl. where marijuana ruins there life.

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Klaus--I certainly do not advocate smoking weed and then driving. However, study after study after study has shown that regular marijuana users are very conservative drivers (first time users definitely shouldn't drive). They know they're high, they don't want any trouble, they use extra caution in driving. In one famous study conducted by the British Ministry of Transportation (or whatever it's called) the only time the marijuana user became confused was when they had to drive around in circles in a figure 8 which, frankly, is confusing to me under any circumstances. The marijuana user, recognizing they are high, would say, "better take a back road--I ain't driving around that roundabout." (That wasn't in the study--I just made that up but I bet it's true).

Alcohol, on the other hand, promotes risk-taking and recklessness in driving. Reaction time is decreased under the influence of marijuana but significantly less than under fatigue and alcohol. Fatigue is the #1 cause of fatal car accidents, followed by alcohol, with 'other drugs' a distant third.

I advocate decriminalizing marijuana in the US, not legalizing it.

And kids, don't smoke or drink and drive.
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If the marijuana was just sitting under your kitchen sink with the rest of the chemicals, I'd agree with you. But it's getting smoked. It's going into your body in high doses. It's smoking marijuana, drinking high doses of pesticides, and using your hairspray as a breath-freshener that pose a cancer risk.
Sprial, do you really think drinking high does of pesticides and putting hairspray into your mouth is the only way these products are dangerous? My best friend died from lung cancer last year. A rare form of lung cancer, non-smoking related, that is only seen in people with exposure to chemicals such as pesticides. He was 42 and in otherwise perfect health. But he lived in places as a child where he was exposed to a lot of shit.

Most household cleaning products are extremely toxic. My friend with chemical sensitivities can be sent to the emergency room if he sits beside someone who's wearing perfume in the threatre for 30 minutes. I have had to de-toxify my home so that he can come over. And this is becoming an increasingly large problem in our toxic world. I grew up in a farming community in Virginia. My father used to spray crops with pesticides with his airplane. An alarming number of people in the community have really weird, obscure life-threatening illnesses. I myself get migraines and have dizzy spells every time I visit my mother because I live in such a clean non-toxic environment today that I am extremely sensitive to the levels of toxicity in that part of the country.
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I know some people who lost their driving licence because of Marijuana consume - and i think it's ok .
Also i think it's a sad thing that some ppl throw their life away because of a drug imho they should be able to do this - it's a free country. But liberty stops where others will be harmed.
And Marijuana and driving is such a thing.
If you are not able to do the right things as fast as possible at the steering wheel you a re a danger to the public.
(Imagine s.o. who smoked Marijuana and a tire of his car blews) The roads are far to crowded - chances are pretty high that an innocent person will be harmed or even killed..
(Same for Alcohol too of course)
Just because it's less dangerous than the most dangerous thing dosn't make it harmless.

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And kids, don't smoke or drink and drive.
Right - don't drive if you reduced your ability to do so - no matter which drug (alcohol, marijuana, pills,.. whatever) you took

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Sprial, do you really think drinking high does of pesticides and putting hairspray into your mouth is the only way these products are dangerous?
don't take me too seriously. I say stupid stuff all the time.

But on that topic....I found this article interesting when someone posted it around here a few weeks ago (my apologies if you saw it the first time around). Considering your experiences, it might make you angry. It was just a very different take on the issue of carcinogenic synthetic chemicals than what I'm used to hearing.

Ok....back to pot.
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