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Old 08-09-2002, 08:17 PM   #46
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With me...

I'm staying out of the little discussion over Buddha and Jesus and all that other stuff for now.

As far as just comments on religion in general, what I get a kick out of is when religious people tell atheists that they're going to hell.

It's like, um...if someone doesn't believe in God, they don't believe in heaven or hell, either, so how can they be condemned by a god they do not feel exists to a place they don't believe exists?

I have no problem with someone wanting to be religious, I just wish that some religious people would show respect for those who aren't religious or who have religions that are different from theirs. And vice versa, 'cause this respect does go both ways.

As for me, I'm not overly religious in the first place. I believe in God, but that's really about it as far as religion goes for me. I'm not fond of organized religion, either, because I don't like what it can turn some people into. Religious differences have been a part of many a war, and I think it's stupid to start a war and kill someone just because their religious views differ from someone else's.

And I have dealt with people on this teen message board I go to who feel it is their job to tell others if they are or aren't going to heaven. And it bugs me. According to their religion, that's God's job to figure that out, not theirs, and anyway, some of the people that their God banishes to hell...I don't understand why they should go there in the first place-I don't feel they are doing anything wrong that would be worth going to hell for.

I also do not feel any one religion is right and every other one is wrong. What's right for someone isn't right for everyone.

That's just kinda how I feel.

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Old 08-10-2002, 11:54 AM   #47
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I agree 100% with AM.

There is a wonderful quote by Mother Teresa, where she says that the most important thing is to help a Catholic be a good Catholic, a Hindu be a good Hindu, etc. She was as good a Christian as you can get, and I feel privileged to share this view with her.
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Old 08-11-2002, 07:29 AM   #48
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It's like, um...if someone doesn't believe in God, they don't believe in heaven or hell, either, so how can they be condemned by a god they do not feel exists to a place they don't believe exists?
Moonlit Angel, I hope you'd agree with me that just because you don't believe in something, it doesn't mean that it does not exist. If you don't believe in gravity and fell off a tall building, you would still be smashed to bits, yes?

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Old 08-11-2002, 07:58 AM   #49
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Sorry to be contrary fors, but just because you DO believe in something doesn't mean its fact either. Religion is all about faith after all. None of us will know until the end what is really going on so to condemn (as a figure of speech) someone to something based on faith is a tough call. But still, you are right that belief aside, if you are denying the existance of something that is indeed true, makes no difference in the end.
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I've reached a conclusion concerning religious speculation. It's a conclusion that each and every one of us have contemplated before, yet tried to ignored due to our hopes that heaven and hell actually exist.
Since no one has proof that their is a heaven or hell, we can't have a debate on the subject. It's THAT simple.
Can we move on, and stop wasting our time on earth. I based this assumption on life ending on earth and our time being limited, because we KNOW this to be true. We know that life ends, but what happens afterward is out of our hands, and depending on what "man-made" doctrine you profess to believe in, you'll never know what will happen until that day when you cease to exist.
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I've reached a conclusion concerning religious speculation. It's a conclusion that each and every one of us have contemplated before, yet tried to ignored due to our hopes that heaven and hell actually exist.
Since no one has proof that their is a heaven or hell, we can't have a debate on the subject. It's THAT simple.
Can we move on, and stop wasting our time on earth. I based this assumption on life ending on earth and our time being limited, because we KNOW this to be true. We know that life ends, but what happens afterward is out of our hands, and depending on what "man-made" doctrine you profess to believe in, you'll never know what will happen until that day when you cease to exist.
Danospano, I can't argue anything you've said here, in a literal sense, but you've contradicted yourself by including your last sentence. At the beginning of your post, you imply that we don't "know" what happens after death because there is no proof either way. However, in your last sentence you state that there is a dependency factor (based on which "'man-made' doctrine you profess to believe in") that determines whether you know what will happen after death -- and that's contradicting your earlier implication. Now, I think I do know what you mean, but I had to point that out!
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Michael,
There was a touch of sarcasm in the final sentence of my last post. "Man-made" religion. Beliefs based on speculations rather than hard facts. It is a fact that humans cease to exist in their current state when they die. All faith's expectation of the "afterworld" are mere speculation, and that's the point I was trying to make.

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There was a touch of sarcasm in the final sentence of my last post. "Man-made" religion. Beliefs based on speculations rather than hard facts. It is a fact that humans cease to exist in their current state when they die. All faith's expectation of the "afterworld" are mere speculation, and that's the point I was trying to make.

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I completely understood! It's just that, quite often, the term "know" seems to be used when we really mean "believe" -- which I guess is what we were both actually saying!
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Sorry to be contrary fors, but just because you DO believe in something doesn't mean its fact either. Religion is all about faith after all. None of us will know until the end what is really going on so to condemn (as a figure of speech) someone to something based on faith is a tough call. But still, you are right that belief aside, if you are denying the existance of something that is indeed true, makes no difference in the end.
I agree with what you're saying, boondox, though it didn't really have much to do with my original post. Also, religion is about faith, that is correct; but faith is the flipside of rationale, you can't have one without the other and they reinforce each other.

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religion...I am not decided who i relly am-a christian or an atheist. So, I have many view points.My christian self tells me that IF there is a GOD, he's the same for all the people and 1.he's kind and so on and every person goes to heaven despite he's a christian or non-christian.2.most the religions only call and imagine him different-however, GOD is the same for all of them. All those words, that "only" christians go to heaven or smthng like that came from early beginning of the religions, when people HAD not to LOVE GOD (as we should do now), but to FEAR.that's were all the threatening about not going to heaven came from.
MY non-christian self tells me, that there is no God and that people made it up a long long time ago when they had to explain things they didn't understand (such as lightening, storms) and wanted an easyer life (they had someone to blame, someone to call for).Because God changes with people's mind:when they were cruel-god was cruel, when in their life appeared Love-God wanted Love.
Religion is a very complicated.However-if God is somewhere-he must be kind and generous, maby not almighty, but loving-who else, but God tought about remission-so he should forgive all the sins and take every child, every man, every woman to heaven
FOR EVERYONE TO BE HAPPY THERE!!!
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