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I believe in A God, just not sure how it all works... 17 19.10%
I believe in a specific God 51 57.30%
I believe in many Gods 1 1.12%
I believe God is inside us 2 2.25%
I don't believe in any God 13 14.61%
Other 5 5.62%
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Old 07-02-2002, 12:04 AM   #31
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yes, but sometimes (alot of times actually) i wish i didn't.....
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Old 07-02-2002, 07:01 PM   #32
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I believe in God. I just no longer believe in most who profess to be Christians.

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Old 07-02-2002, 07:20 PM   #33
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I'm kind of amazed that I'm the only person who believes God dwells within us, despite all the Biblical quotes that point to that. Or, I suppose, one could believe in a specific God and that this specific God is inside of us but that wasn't an option.

Just curious...do the Christians here believe that God dwells within us? Or do you believe in an external God?
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Old 07-02-2002, 10:43 PM   #34
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Just curious...do the Christians here believe that God dwells within us? Or do you believe in an external God?
Well, I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I believe that God makes Himself known to us both by direct contact and by the teachings of pastors, the Bible, etc.
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Old 07-03-2002, 12:27 AM   #35
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Can I make one suggestion that might help you in the long run?


Get to thoroughly know where you come from before you go seeking other spiritual paths.
ok, first of all, it's fine that you make a suggestion, but you really are quite a bit off on this one...not the suggestion, just that you think it applys to me...that's why i'm going to explain this for you...

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Make a study of the many expressions of the Christian faith first and never think of it as all the same everywhere.
ok, i've gone to christian schools my whole life (minus 1 year in 6th grade)...i've taken classes that are solely about other religions and how they compare/contrast/relate to christianity...i know.....

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You might be surprised at the number of smart people who just leave the faith without really investigating it outside of the church they grew up in.
in the past couple of years, i've been "straying" outside my parent's christian reformed church and started trying a couple of my friends' churches...in all honesty, i feel i worship god better in some of them....

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Then they end up studying other religions with only a fraction of a fraction of Christianity to compare them with(but they think they know all there is to know). Can you see how that can't make for well-informed spiritual descisions?
first, i know more than a "fraction of a fraction of christianity"...lets see...besides the fact that i've had christian education, and am heading to a christian college next year, i've also gone to church twice a sunday, catechism, and youth group every week for my whole life. i know i don't know everything (and everything isn't meant to be known), but i think i know a little.

second, did i make the impression that i was "leaving the faith"??? i'm not...i'm still a christian, i just am not sure about the whole theology thing...in fact, i think that crc people tend to make everything more black and white than it can ever possibly be...as someone just told me, it was all the restrictions and rules of the pharisees that led them astray....i think i've been taking your advice for the past couple of years by trying to branch out and form my own beliefs instead of blindly following my parents...i think that's perfectly healthy, and i was merely stating that i was doing some soul searching...

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I know it sounds simple minded to tell you to take the first step before taking another. But people try all the time to take them all at once or else they try to skip steps in their impatience to get moving on. It doesn't have to be that way.
i'm actually a bit annoyed that you would assume things about me...i mean, i realize we've never spoken, but faith can be a fragile thing...as wonderful as it is for you to be trying to "save" me, i really don't need it...to be sure...and you should be a little more careful next time...

no hard feelings at all, don't get me wrong, just know your facts before advising...if you want to chat sometime, let me know and i'm willing.
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I am really sorry that you thought I was assuming things about you. I did not write my post with "saving" you on my mind.

I made my statements on a "just in case" basis, thats all. I suppose using the phrase "in the long run" wasn't as accurate as it could have been. My mistake. I was making no assumptions about you. But I happen to know of many people who have gone through similar periods of questioning who in the course of wrestling with Christian theology get swept away from the faith in one form or another. People in your position aren't necessarily lost in my experience, but I think its safe to say that they are more vulnerable.

Who knows what tommorrow will bring? Many people feel sure that they won't leave the faith for all their questioning, but along comes some crisis and before you know it, they've chucked their original belief. Even people with really good Christian backgrounds like yourself. Its not that people don't have the right to leave, but I wonder how many would leave the faith if they were given advice similar to what I gave here long before some crisis hit them.

I believe in doing my best to ensure that if people do leave the faith, that they do it with the widest possible knowledge and perspective on it. It really concerns me that so many don't have much knowledge about the faith they come to deny.

Ok, I admit that I stepped out of line on this one. I should have kept my trap shut in retrospect, but at the time I thought it was worth the risk to say what I said. I hope that you can forgive my mistake.
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...am heading to a christian college next year...
Are you, by chance, going to Hope, Calvin, or Northwestern? Just curious, because I know people at all 3 schools, and they seem to be a common choice for students from the Christian Reformed Church in Michigan. Not making any assumptions, though...just curious.
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Are you, by chance, going to Hope, Calvin, or Northwestern? Just curious, because I know people at all 3 schools, and they seem to be a common choice for students from the Christian Reformed Church in Michigan. Not making any assumptions, though...just curious.
*knows a few people from that last one* oh wait...that would be me.
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<~Calvin

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<~one of said students

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<~Calvin


<~one of said students

*sigh*


Ok, long shot....do you know Mike Wooten, he's an RD in one of the dorms (don't know which one, but I think it has like 3 or 4 names...like Sagman-Bennet-Robbins-Oppenheim and Taft).
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Ok, long shot....do you know Mike Wooten, he's an RD in one of the dorms (don't know which one, but I think it has like 3 or 4 names...like Sagman-Bennet-Robbins-Oppenheim and Taft).
I start in the fall, actually, so I don't really know anyone yet, (besides the 1/3 of my HS that's going there... ) but the name sounds familiar - is he from near there?

Could it be Bolt-Heyns-Timmer or Noordewier-VanderWerp dorms? (methinks those are the dorms with the longest names)
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Old 07-03-2002, 05:08 PM   #42
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UV Light,

I just spent a good few minutes mesmerized by your clip-y thing of Edge.

I could stare at it for hours. I really could.

He may be "dorky" but Dear Lord he's adorable!

oh wait, we were talking about God in this thread, right?

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1. whiteflag........i'm not mad at you or anything, i just thought you should know for the future.....i mean, someone might be offended more than i........but i do appreciate that you care

2. yes.......i'm also going to calvin

3. ellen, it's HALF our high school.....not a THIRD i hated my high school....ugh.....

4. *cough* whiteflag, i'm "laura" from the quote.....just for your knowledge......

5. god likes us to know about calvin, because, you see, calvin is perfect in every way, shape, and form what? i like my city...i don't know what you're talking about........
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I believe in God as an institution. With this I mean a superior force that is way beyond what the human mind can cope, and therefore forcing humans to stay grounded and humble. This I believe despite what my intellect. I Believe in God because that is the only way to stay sane. Otherwise I would, like in the words of Sartre, be living my life alone, facing the angst alone.
I believe in Jesus as a very wise man. I often refers to Jesus as my biggest idol. But, I can not and will never believe in the church. The church is full of humans, and therefore full of betrayel, greed, lust, hatred and stupidity. (this is not an accusation on any one here, who might be going to church regulary, but at the church as an institution)
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And it looks so peaceful, joyous, and comforting.

</sarcasm>

Does anybody else find it more than a little creepy? Granted, I'm not sure I prefer the pictures of Christ in complete anguish all over the place.
I find it creepy...very creepy

I believe there is a god or some other person aboot but i am really intrigued by it all and sometimes i tink its waaaay too made up to even believe- i doubt at times
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