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Old 09-15-2007, 12:47 AM   #31
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you sound like a classical liberal.
Really - the Liberals in these parts would disagree with all three.

1) Individual freedom is sacrificed at the alter of political correctness.
2) change should happen NOW (ACT! END IRAQ NOW!) There is nothing gradual about their causes
3) Rule of law? Are you kidding? Laws comes from the "the man" or "the system" simply to keep them down and press them into a sheeple mold
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The thread is actually about the thought processes of both types.

But, I don't know many liberals who don't believe in the rule of law. They have a tendency to work within the law to change the system....with occasional acts of civil disobedience to push the change of the law. That particular point you made was just silly.

Both sides are uncomfortable with total individual freedom. Both sides champion different aspects of it that are often at odds with each other.
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No...the RIGHT one is the necessary component.
When parsing a short statement, it is necessary to consider all of the parts of it. You're welcome to create your own theory.

An alternate presentation of Occam's Razor is that "we should not assert that for which we do not have some proof."

http://www.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~...ral/occam.html

Occam's Razor argues for simple, not simplistic.

I'm not sure that many American conservatives would be comfortable with the principle of Occam's Razor. Wanderer has used it quite effectively in support of an atheistic approach.
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No...the RIGHT one is the necessary component.
Of course the correct one is necessary...and that's where you're screwed.
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1) Individual freedom is sacrificed at the alter of political correctness.
Bullshit!!! This is such a copout...

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2) change should happen NOW (ACT! END IRAQ NOW!) There is nothing gradual about their causes
I do agree that many changes should happen now.

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3) Rule of law? Are you kidding? Laws comes from the "the man" or "the system" simply to keep them down and press them into a sheeple mold
You really have little understanding of anything outside your box. You really do, and it's scary.
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Old 09-15-2007, 05:42 AM   #36
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Occam's Razor:

"All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the right one."

But I think you made a point in differentiating between clarity and complexity. I think sometimes liberals get stymied in complexity. Perhaps, it might be more accurate to say that many liberals show an appreciation for complexity as opposed to complexity being a goal.
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1) Individual freedom is sacrificed at the alter of political correctness.
2) change should happen NOW (ACT! END IRAQ NOW!) There is nothing gradual about their causes
3) Rule of law? Are you kidding? Laws comes from the "the man" or "the system" simply to keep them down and press them into a sheeple mold
As an independent, I can tell you that your description of liberals is terribly, terribly biased and inaccurate. That description is something you'd only ever hear from a very conservative person who hates liberals.
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Of course the correct one is necessary...and that's where you're screwed.
I was actually joking - I was playing on the word RIGHT (meaning conservative)
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I was wondering how you missed two elements of such a short statement.
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I was actually joking - I was playing on the word RIGHT (meaning conservative)
I know.
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2) change should happen NOW (ACT! END IRAQ NOW!) There is nothing gradual about their causes
I agree with your first point to an extent, but no true conservative could possibly support the Iraq war.
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I agree with your first point to an extent, but no true conservative could possibly support the Iraq war.
Did you vote for Pat Buchanan?
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Did you vote for Pat Buchanan?
Dude, note my location.
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Did you vote for Pat Buchanan?
Read before you post.
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Dang - jump all over me...
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