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Old 03-16-2003, 01:04 PM   #61
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*calls Thread Rip-off Police*
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I doubt if the effects of this controversy will last beyond the war. Just about every popular musician or movie star or whatever starts to get flack after a steady stream of nice press. The controversy might concern a divorce, an affair (or both), overexposure, a picture in the "wrong" publication, and God knows what else. After time the controversy blows over and people, generally speaking, stop thinking about it because it's generally not exactly like the star committed murder or joined the Klan.
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goodness. i was just kidding around.

i thought this place could use a little levity lately....
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Screaming Flower, the thing about the Thread Rip-Off Police and "undisclosed parties" was supposed to be a joke. Did I screw up again (I screwed up a thread of Dreadsox' yesterday )
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oops. i thought you were being serious. my bad.






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I do dress up in a Grenadier outfit and harass people in Boston around the site of the Boston Massacre and Fanuel Hall on occasion. Once I arrested Ben Franklin. I did accidently run the bayonett through my boot... OUCH!!!!!

Sorry...back to the Dixie Chicks....

I am proud of her for making her statements.
I am disappointed she did it on foreign soil....which for some reason really pisses me off.
I do appreciate the fans boycotting....

I am just one big contradiction.
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You might already have said this and I just missed it. But I wondered if you agree with those people who think "Dixie" is racist, or not?
I personally do not think the term "Dixie" in and of itself is racist. I even find the tune commonly referred to as "Dixie" to be beutifully adapted as a bluegrass tune, one which has been covered by liberal musicians such as David Grisman and the late Jerry Garcia.

And I agree with Gabrielvox that there is no racist intent on the part of the Dixie Chicks in their nomenclature; I was merely posing a "political correctness" scenario on this band who currently has the favor of the anti-war interests. I won't mention double standards. Oppos, I just did. Never mind.

whenhiphop, I guess you don't think listeners should have a say in what is played on the radio stations they listen to? I see the listener as a target market audience, and occasionally stations see the need to follow the request of their listeners. However, I think this rarely happens.

I agree with you about artists playing at inaugurations, though. If I boycotted artists who have played at Democratic functions, my expansive musical tastes would be much smaller. The Eagles, Tom Petty and others come to mind. Hey, I still listen to Sheryl Crow.

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Sorry...back to the Dixie Chicks....

I am proud of her for making her statements.
I am disappointed she did it on foreign soil....which for some reason really pisses me off.
I do appreciate the fans boycotting....

I am just one big contradiction.
that's how i feel too. i think it's great they took a stand and spoke their minds. i just think it would have really taken guts to say it in texas.
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I think that says alot.

We all must remember that musicians are people like everyone else. It must be hard to have your every leaning either way under the glare of the public eye..at some point they must just want to let it all hang out and say whatever is on their mind - do they do it to be cool or to gain publicity? Maybe some do, but I'd hazard that for the most part when you hear a celebrity come out and say something they do it partly out of frustration at being told by their agents/managers to keep their mouths shut all the time, when sometimes they just want to be afforded the very same freedom to speak that we all enjoy.

As for the Dixie Chicks, it's been mentioned in different posts that a. they performed at Bush's inaugeration and b. one of them recently stated that they were disappointed in his current performance, but both statements haven't really been commented on in one post. I think this is probably a very real and common sentiment amongst alot of Americans, that they were happy to see Bush sworn in, but now the honeymoon is over so to speak, and some may even be wishing they hadn't voted him in in the first place. I don't see a duality in the Dixie Chicks saying what they have now, I see them saying 'holy shit, this is who we previously supported???'

And shouldn't they just like everyone else have the right to reevaluate their choices?
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I feel pretty unresolved about the issue of celebrities and using it as a way to make their voice louder. Yes, I know, a strange situation for a U2 fan, who's members and front-man especially are always voicing what they believe.

Ultimately, they do have the right to voice their opinions. The negative consequence is that ignorant people (and there are too many of them around) may be directly influenced by what such celebrities think. At the moment, I'm fuming over Bob Geldoff's participation in the Anti-Euro campaign. It angers me, but why shouldn't they be able to express their opinions?

It is good however, that the Dixie Chicks expressed their opinions. Not least of all because the member feels that way, but also because they've voiced something I do hear a lot of. I've lost count of the number of Texans who come out and apologise for being Texan because of Mr. Bush. They shouldn't apologise, of course, but its such a strange thing to do.

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We all must remember that musicians are people like everyone else. It must be hard to have your every leaning either way under the glare of the public eye..at some point they must just want to let it all hang out and say whatever is on their mind - do they do it to be cool or to gain publicity? Maybe some do, but I'd hazard that for the most part when you hear a celebrity come out and say something they do it partly out of frustration at being told by their agents/managers to keep their mouths shut all the time, when sometimes they just want to be afforded the very same freedom to speak that we all enjoy.
Good point.

I don't know why some people in this country are getting all bent out of shape about celebrities voicing their opinions. They say that the celebrities are not shaping their views-I don't think that's the celebrities' intention, I think they're just expressing their opinion just like anyone else, and if you agree, fine, if not, that's fine, too.

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As for the Dixie Chicks, it's been mentioned in different posts that a. they performed at Bush's inaugeration and b. one of them recently stated that they were disappointed in his current performance, but both statements haven't really been commented on in one post. I think this is probably a very real and common sentiment amongst alot of Americans, that they were happy to see Bush sworn in, but now the honeymoon is over so to speak, and some may even be wishing they hadn't voted him in in the first place. I don't see a duality in the Dixie Chicks saying what they have now, I see them saying 'holy shit, this is who we previously supported???'

And shouldn't they just like everyone else have the right to reevaluate their choices?
Exactly.

People are allowed to change their minds about a president.

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I agree. Celebrities are people like everyone else. They have the same rights and freedoms that I do. If they don't like Policy X, they have the right to say so. I don't have to agree if I don't like it. I'm glad the girl from the Dixie Chicks spoke up, too; she has the right to her opinion and shouldn't keep her mouth shut just because she is a singer. She has the right to change her mind about Bush. I have cousins in Texas who don't like Bush. My sister's boyfriend is from Texas and doesn't like the statue of Bush Sr. in the Houston airport. I'm sure others feel the same way.
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Looks like the brave Dixie Chicks have chickened out. They are now backpeddling and apoligizing for the statement. Lame.
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Looks like the brave Dixie Chicks have chickened out. They are now backpeddling and apoligizing for the statement. Lame.
Not lame. They realize that they have offended a portion of their target audience. It doesn't look like they were ready for a career change to political analyst.

Do they have the right to make their statement? Yes.

Do fans have the right to make their statements? Yes.

Do $$$ frequently take precedence over standing by our principles? Yes.

Will many people remember this incident in three months time? No.
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